"Hey Coach's Corner"-- What's Next, Alleged Bonnie & Clyde Signatures Cheaper by the Dozen?!?

Ah it's Spring-- the birds are singing, the flowers are blooming and the warmth of the Sun-- is providing renewed hope for Summer. And along with this change of seasons, you guessed it-- it's time again to defend the only truly authenticated scripts of B&C, and profile yet another indefensible pair of alleged Bonnie & Clyde signatures-- from some memorabilia seller with perhaps a less than stellar reputation. This time it's Coach's Corner, returning with their 2nd "suspect" B&C offering in 6 months. How "do" they do it?!? As this is the 4th of these profiles I've done, some background is useful here, before discussing Coach's Corner's latest B&C offering.

Just last December, I profiled what were clearly "dubious" alleged B&C signatures, sold by this notorious Souderton, PA based memorabilia outlet. A search of the Internet, revealed numerous articles and internet expose's concerning not only this seller-- but many memorabilia sites, which have been accused of less than upstanding tactics concerning the sale of historic signatures.

I addressed my concerns with one of Coach's Corner's "authenticators"-- Ted Taylor from Stat Authentic. I found it interesting Mr. Taylor certified the Clyde signature among the pair, but wouldn't verify the Bonnie?!? Although Mr. Taylor was pleasant enough, I found my e-mail exchanges with this self styled authenticator a fruitless exercise. It was clear to me that Ted Taylor knew little of B&C signatures or their values, and that Coach's Corner couldn't defend their purported B&C scripts-- based on such a cursory examination and without provenance. I guess their B&C signatures just materialized out of thin air?? But without provenance, which is so important in determining the credibility of historic scripts-- who's to say these alleged signatures didn't come from the forked tip of a forger's pen??

True forensic document examiners, hold accreditations such as from The Board of Forensic Document Examiners (BFDE) or The Forensic Specialties Accreditation Board (FSAB). Perhaps it's revealing to quote Mr. Taylor's qualifications as posted on his Stat Authentic website-- "Jeff Stevens and Ted Taylor have over 75 years of hobby experience-- running shows, collecting autographs, designing collectibles, hosting signing sessions, etc. What we give you is our best opinion. We will VERIFY that a signature is/or is NOT authentic based on our experiences over the years". Well in "my" best opinion, that description offers neither the right experience or accreditation, to authenticate historic signatures of the rarity and magnitude of a Clyde Barrow or Bonnie Parker.

Concerning this 1st dual B&C offering, it was illogical-- that Stat Authentic would back the purported Clyde signature, but not support Bonnie's-- when both sat side by side on the same piece of untested paper. Mr. Taylor stated they couldn't locate exemplars for Bonnie's signature. That's strange-- as of course 3 really good examples do exist-- within my known dual B&C signatures, and on the verso of Steve Haas' known Bonnie Parker poem "The Street Girl". Ah-- but to use known and authentic Bonnie Parker scripts for comparison, would have disqualified the Coach's Corner B&C signatures from any claim of authenticity. To the trained eye, it was clear the Coach's Corner Bonnie script was nothing more than a copy of the debunked signature-- from the Bonnie Parker Highway Patrol fingerprint card.

Many are aware of this alleged B&C artifact, which after much research begun in 2006-- I consider non-authentic. My conclusion was later confirmed, as having also been voiced by J. Edgar Hoover in 1933. The newly uncovered Dallas FBI files on Bonnie and Clyde, contain a number of documents concerning the Bureau's exhaustive search for this alleged Bonnie Parker fingerprint card. Based on a search led by Hoover himself, among Bureau records in Washington and through an investigation in Kaufman, Texas-- Hoover concluded it was apparent that no fingerprints of Bonnie Parker were taken by the Kaufman Sheriffs department, and forwarded to the Bureau as stated. As Bonnie was arrested only once in Kaufman County in 1932, and later no billed and released-- no other source of this rumored fingerprint card could have been the case. Of course only her left hand prints were available, when fingerprinted in death in May 1934-- and no signature would have been possible.

So I guess you could call Stat Authentic's "authentication" of Coach's Corner's 1st B&C signatures offering (Clyde only-- but "Hey what about Bonnie")-- a case of "selective" non-forensics. But they don't seem to use much cutting edge forensic analysis over at Coach's Corner anyway. Instead, they seem to rely on "authenticators"-- who rely mostly on comparisons to known exemplars. I suppose if that's the narrow standard employed by some to judge the authenticity of historic signatures, my suggestion would be to make sure the exemplars your using-- aren't forgeries themselves!!

Interestingly, Coach's Corner advertised that only Clyde's signature had been authenticated-- but that Bonnie's was "just as nice". Now there's a quality description of a signature "so" rare -- that just 3 complete verified examples are known to exist!! And now they've rolled out the "nice" lingo yet again, in touting their latest B&C treasure. But at least knowing this, might reveal the mentality of the sellers at hand here. I suppose it would be expected, that in the end-- these quite questionable scripts would sell for next to nothing, which they did.

Something that troubled me in exchanging e-mails concerning B&C signatures with Ted Taylor-- was his choice to characterize Bonnie and Clyde as pathological killers, and criticize the prices asked for known and authenticated Clyde Barrow signatures. I suppose the proper response to such crass and non-professional comments might be-- "Well then, what's a Hitler signature worth"?? Discussion of criminal intent is proper in historical terms, but seemingly out of place within a forensic discussion. I felt it most odd, that someone hired to pass judgment on the authenticity of alleged historical signatures-- would make negative personal comments concerning the potential source of those signatures. I view that as a conflict of interest, if not a telling commentary on perhaps Mr. Taylor's worth-- as an "authenticator" within the scheme of things here??

For the record, the asking price for Clyde's Frank Hardy letter including Clyde's fingerprints is $95,000. http://www.historyforsale.com/html/prodetails.asp?bw=1&documentid=268088 and $35,000. is being asked for Clyde's November 18th, 1931 letter to his mother Cumie Barrow. http://www.theautographsource.com/categories/History/7_Documents/2788_Clyde-Barrow-(Bonnie-&-Clyde)-Handwritten-&-Signed- Letter.html True examples of Clyde's signature are exceedingly rare-- and Bonnie's extraordinary script, is flat out one of the rarest ever sought. So I'm sorry to disappoint you over at Coach's Corner, but real Clyde Barrow signatures don't sell for 200 bucks. And the $95,000. and $35,000. prices, asked for Clyde's rare script, are for Clyde by himself. Add Bonnie-- and I suppose state your price. I've been asked many times, what I would sell my dual signatures of B&C for. I have a ballpark figure in my head, but needless to say it's not within the Coach's Corner range. It's important to note that entities such as this, with their lack of diligence and bargain basement prices-- have trouble garnering respect, when compared to major auction houses within the historical signatures marketplace. But make no mistake, the affects of these sellers is felt in a negative way-- concerning their potential impact in devaluing truly authentic pieces.

And now onto the current Bonnie and Clyde offering from the vaulted Coach's Corner. Please view the photo attached. My 1st comment is, for a memorabilia shop who sells purported super rare signatures as if they were candy-- can't you take a photograph that's in focus?? Perhaps it's more desirable, that an image illustrating such remarkably rare alleged signatures be out of focus-- so people can't see them clearly?!? This latest purported B&C is remarkably similar to the December offering-- same wrong Bonnie signature, seemingly copied from the Highway Patrol fingerprint card-- and same Clyde signature of sorts, easily copied from a number of sources. But unlike their last B&C offering, no claim of authenticity and no forensic testing is mentioned.

Concerning these latest alleged B&C signatures let me say this. January 15th, 1957 was a Tuesday. So when I say I was born on a Tuesday but "not last Tuesday"-- I mean what I say. I am rarely fooled by shams, shenanigans, hood winkers or insincere people-- and I'm not fooled by this. Nor should anyone else be. Here's the listing for the current Coach's Corner supposed Bonnie & Clyde-- http://www.myccsa.com/Lot.aspx?LotID=205518

I'm never quite comfortable making a statement such as this-- except that it's true. I am now within my 5th consecutive year of focused research and experience, in discerning the signatures of Bonnie and Clyde. In owning the only truly authenticated signatures of B&C known to exist, along with the help of some of the world's finest forensic experts-- I possess unique knowledge concerning the scripts of Clyde Barrow and Bonnie Parker, which perhaps no one else can claim. My investigation into the rare signatures of these iconic outlaws, remains the only coordinated inquiry into this specialty known to date.

In my e-mail to Lee Trythall, co-owner of Coach's Corner I told him I found this 2nd offering of purported signatures of B&C, both remarkable and offensive. I asked Mr. Trythall to state the provenance of either professed B&C signatures Coach's Corner has offered. I also asked specifically, for the forensic testing performed on their signatures-- ie: inks, paper, writing instruments, energy dispersive x-ray spectometry and "true" Forensic handwriting analysis-- not just someone's opinion, in comparison to certain exemplars which are often fake themselves. I asked if he would stake his reputation on the authenticity of his B&C offerings, by having them examined as I did-- in authenticating my dual signatures of Bonnie & Clyde.

As many know, I utilized the services of the world renown McCrone Group of Chicago-- who performed the material science testing on The Shroud of Turin and specifically their Senior Research Microscopist Joe Barabe-- who led a team of McCrone scientists in authenticating the inks in The Lost Gospel of Judas. I also employed an equally renown and independent Forensic Document Examiner in Ms. Emily J. Will D-BFDE to perform the Forensic signature analysis for my signatures. Among a myriad of impressive professional accomplishments, Ms. Will may best be known as the CDE hired by CBS-- to authenticate the President George W. Bush National Guard Papers. It was Emily Will who discredited those bogus Pre-Presidential documents, which led to a firestorm of media and political fallout-- resulting in perhaps early retirement for one rather famous Anchorman, and the firing of the CBS Producer who hired Ms. Will. Those are my experts Mr. Trythall-- who've you got??

I suppose "authenticators" like Christopher Morales. Morales is the authenticator with the checkered reputation, who was used by The Art of Music in Las Vegas-- to try and back purported B&C signatures I fought against last Fall. I went toe to toe with The Art of Music as well, over "their" indefensible B&C signatures. I am attaching a link here on Christopher Morales, as it appeared in Autograph Magazine. This article on Morales is titled Christopher Morales: The Forger's Best Friend. http://autographmagazine.com/2010/03/christopher-morales-forgery-authenticator/ Within this article "remarkably" it's Lee Trythall of Coach's Corner who rebukes Morales saying-- "There are authenticators whose work seems better". "There are guys who are more qualified." But then just this month-- who does Coach's Corner use to back it's controversial cut Beatles piece?? None other than Christopher Morales. http://www.myccsa.com/Lot.aspx?LotID=205154 What does that tell you?? Hell-- is there a bed big enough for all these guys??

Here's a simple question I've asked before in debunking fake B&C signatures, and which I asked Lee Trythall. If anyone truly believes they have authentic B&C scripts, why are they themselves not taking them to a major auction house and cashing in-- instead of seemingly just giving them away, to people who may not know any better?? I suppose the answer is "volume". Coach's Corner always seems to have a "slew" of reputedly rare signatures for sale, at dirt cheap prices. But how could that be?? The answers is, if all these signatures were real-- it can't be.

One might ask from a business point of view, whether Coach's Corner wouldn't be better off financially-- selling their purported signatures via major auction, rather than taking the tact they do?? Of course they would if they could-- unless a lack of brains is an issue. But that's provided their signatures could be independently verified-- and apparently in the vast majority of cases, they can't. By the way, regarding my now 4 e-mails to Lee Trythall-- just as in Beatles 65, you guessed it-- No Reply.

It pays to have friends who care to alert you, when something like this-- which could affect the integrity of something you hold near and dear comes to light. It's said that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. But that's not true concerning artwork or autographs. Fakes can be a problem, as they have the potential to undermine the integrity of originals-- by creating doubt as to what is real and what is not. Forged signatures have been an issue for decades, but never more than now-- when the Internet creates quick and voluminous opportunities for scammers to peddle their wares freely, and without oversight.

There are few safeguards in place to protect the public, except through the dedication of loyal industry publications and individuals-- who care about this fascinating and most enjoyable hobby. I applaud these crusaders for good, be they from the media, autograph industry-- or just honest and dedicated autograph collectors. But also don't forget, the collection of historic signatures is very much about the preservation of history-- so there's added importance in upholding the integrity of a legitimate artifact. For you see, there's no history in a forgery. Hopefully in the future, stringent regulations will be enacted-- to force unscrupulous sellers out of the historical signatures marketplace.

Back to Coach's Corner-- I don't feel I have to do much to debunk their current B&C offering. The Bonnie is wrong-- and the Bonnie's together with a dubious Clyde. So unless some miracle happened, where a non-authentic signature somehow became paired with an authentic one-- then both must be fakes. It's amazing, how almost identical and easily debunkable supposed B&C scripts keep popping up at Coach's Corner. Hey an endless supply!!-- but of course that can't be true. This one's not even noted to be authentic, or backed by any "authenticator" touting unspecified exemplars.

Sometimes when attacked, I understand certain autograph entities and "authenticators"-- like to issue threats and orders, to stop negative comments from being published about them. Rest assured if that were to happen to me, I would make sure the source and "forensic" testing of every document ever sold by that outlet-- or "authenticated" by an "authenticator" be made public. I would also bring a counter action-- for damages to my authenticated B&C signatures, for which I hold a copyright. I doubt very much, those busy selling or backing "rare" $200 historical autographs, would want to travel that road. There are currently dozens of articles and videos available accusing this entity and others of far worse than I have. I would imagine if push came to shove, any discovery process would be quite insightful-- in finally uncovering the shrouded sources of thousands of questioned signatures.

I wholeheartedly support the efforts of those, who fight against what are sometimes called signature mills-- who offer "rare" and "valuable" autographs at nonsensical prices. I'm pleased to lend my voice and expertise to this fight. Schemers beware-- I "will" defend my authenticated B&C signatures against all "suspect" signatures. Through a well documented and publicized investigation now into it's 5th year, and within the bounds of available forensic science-- I feel I've proven my B&C signatures. Now it's up to those who sell "dubious" super rare signatures for a couple hundred bucks-- to prove theirs. "Really" prove them-- not just use self styled pseudo proof from their "in" crowd.

I can't hope to influence the self regulation of signature outlets, concerning exercising proper due diligence regarding all their signatures. But I can call on this entity and others, who market highly questionable or bogus Bonnie & Clyde signatures without legitimate authentication-- to stop marketing them. Historically and forensically, if a Bonnie and Clyde signature can't be backed-- it shouldn't be portrayed as genuine. No pseudo forensics-- No semantical fluff-- No nonsense. A detailed report on my signatures, can be found blog right>> The following are additional articles on this topic-- including Coach's Corner's BBB ranking. Thanks for your time, and as always-- "Buyer Beware".

http://sports-rings.com/2009/06/sports-collectors-digest-drops-coachs.htm

http://www.easternpa.bbb.org/codbrep.html?wlcl=y&id=1042585

http://reviews.ebay.com/Collecting-Autographs-Getting-Ripped-Off-on-the-Net_W0QQugidZ10000000010802414

My Sincere "Thanks" to All

April 5th marks the 1 year anniversary of The Bonnie & Clyde History Blog. I wish to extend my sincere "thanks" to all-- for your loyalty and participation in this Bonnie & Clyde forum. B&C History is "unique" history where passions run high, and the love for it's stories run deep.

I take pride in making sure what is reported here concerning B&C History, is truthful yet compassionate-- direct but rarely absolute. There's a lot of play in this history, as there's so much we don't know-- and may never know for sure. However I am convinced, there are still revelations to be unearthed and revealed. Concerning this please know-- through my research I will continue to do all I can to find these gems of stories, and present a quality Bonnie and Clyde forum-- built upon the standards of integrity & truth. Nearly 20,000 hits from 75 countries in a year says a lot. Many "thanks" for your continued support. --Winston

The "Tie Breaker" B&C Polls Revealed

In honor of Bonnie's rabbit Sonny Boy-- who's so important to the "Tie Breaker" poll questions, I've posted a photo of something he would appreciate. Most who visit The B&CHB, vote for the B&C Polls just for the fun and enjoyment of them. Then there's that select group of hard core Bonnie and Clyde enthusiasts, who like to politely duke it out-- for the pride of B&C knowledge, as exercised through the monthly poll contest held here.

In the past, B&C Poll Championships have often been decided by narrow margins. But in March for the 1st time, this contest of B&C information, resourcefulness and playful combat ended up tied. Thus I worked up four "Tie Breaker" polls to sort things out, and offered these questions to all for fun as well. Some commented regarding the difficulty of this select group of polls, although I knew with a little research-- they weren't that tough. And as it turned out, the March Poll Champion aced them all. Nicely done!! Also as I'm finding out, it seems for some-- just trying to figure out the subtle hints I often incorporate within The B&C Polls, is a challenge unto itself. My "thanks" for that.

Unlike my usual and purposeful mixing of poll sources, this group of polls all came from the same source. As such, this group of B&C queries was a Dallas FBI Files treasure hunters challenge. Also as April was upon us-- all of these questions had the common theme of being from April 1934 reports. Question 1 dealt with Henry Methvin's tattoos and scars. It was the April 9th, 1934 Division of Investigation alert to all peace officers, from their El Paso, Texas field office-- which detailed then current descriptions of Bonnie, Clyde and Henry. Henry's description included mention of a tattoo-- a dagger with the word Love on his right forearm, and also noted a large burn scar on his left shoulder. This info could also be found within Frank Ballinger's B&C Hideout, for those who searched there.

Question 2 had to do with the tracking of Ray Hamilton after his escape from jail in the Spring of '34. Ray had been spotted in New Orleans, and was believed to have visited an Optician there to have glasses made. He and Mary were then witnessed boarding a train to Chicago. As such, SAC (Dallas) Frank Blake notified Melvin Purvis concerning the movements of Hamilton. To my knowledge these correspondences from Blake, were the only ones made to the famous G-Man within the Dallas files.

The clues of April 1934, the bloody necktie and head of cabbage-- should have alerted all to the fact, that the car mentioned in the next question-- was indeed the car Percy Boyd was kidnapped in. The bloody necktie was personal to Percy. However, the most personal item "to the outlaws" of the many inventoried items found within that car-- had to have been the head of cabbage, as that was food for Bonnie's rabbit Sonny Boy. Also found in the car were partly eaten carrots, and other evidence that a rabbit had been transported. As is known, Bonnie made the request to Percy Boyd, that if anything were to happen to her during their time together, that he please deliver Sonny Boy to Emma.

And the last question also contained a telltale clue, which was the "reliable source". In later years, W. D. Jones ended up with a drug problem, but to my knowledge-- we only know of this from non-personal sources such as newspaper articles. But back in '34-- another member of the Barrow Gang besides Bonnie, apparently did end up on drugs-- and it was his sister who revealed this lesser known reality. It was the April 24th, 1934 report from Barrow cousin and Bureau informant Bailey Tynes, in which he discloses this info to Federal Agents. In this spy's "remarkable" disclosures from within the Barrow residence, Tynes states that on April 23rd, Mr. Barrow revealed that Maggie Ferris, Ray Hamilton's sister-- said that she and Mary O'Dare had been searching for Ray for about a week, but that Ray had not shown at the appointed place. Maggie said Ray had become a hop head, and was using narcotics to excess. Just another of the multitude of valuable revelations, contained in the Dallas FBI file on Bonnie and Clyde.

So there you have it-- the answers to the "Tie Breaker" B&C Polls. Please look for the April polls to be posted soon. Beyond those who vie for the monthly B&C Poll Contest-- I hope "all" who visit here, will have fun and learn new things about Bonnie and Clyde by voting in the B&C Polls. I hope everyone will participate in this favorite feature of many, on The B&CHB.

Was Grapevine the Turning Point??

The photo here-- shows the spot of the Grapevine murders. This is the modern day turnoff from TX Hwy 114 where the dual killings occurred-- near the crest of the hill on the far side of the road. April 1st, marks 76 years since the Grapevine murders, which many feel turned the tide of public opinion against Clyde & Bonnie-- and thus spelled the beginning of the end for the outlaws. By that juncture in 1934, not only was a determined posse on their heels-- due to the embarrassment to law enforcement from the Eastham breakout, but due to Grapevine-- the murders of a young H.D. Murphy and Edward Bryant Wheeler seemed to shock the senses of the populous, once perhaps more than evenly split in favor of Barrow. The effects of the Grapevine killings seemed swift, as law enforcement is said to have been galvanized by the deaths of such young officers. Wheeler had been on the force for just 4 years-- and for Murphy, although he had seen weights and measures duty-- April 1st, 1934 was his very 1st day on motorcycle patrol. The photo

B&C legend has it that Clyde had tried a number of times via Joe Palmer, to set up Ray Hamilton for death-- based on a falling out Clyde had with Ray, over a bad split of the Lancaster Bank monies. Although Clyde had been unsuccessful previously, on this particular Easter Sunday-- his plan had a chance to work. Clyde, Bonnie, Henry Methvin and Joe Palmer arrived at about 10:30 AM and parked just off Texas Highway 114. The 5th passenger in the Barrow car that day, was Bonnie's rabbit Sonny Boy-- whom she planned to give to her mother Emma.

Meanwhile for their Easter morning, Ray Hamilton and Mary O'Dare had just released Mrs. Cam Gunter and her child-- after having kidnapped them the night before, soon after Mary had wrecked the car she and Ray were traveling in. After releasing Mrs. Gunter, Ray had stolen a new Ford sedan-- which ironically was virtually identical to the Barrow Gang car, right down to the yellow wheels. By then, Ray and Mary were headed from Houston to Dallas, unaware of the fate that might await them. Clyde had sent Joe Palmer to Dallas to alert the family concerning where to meet them. That left Clyde, Bonnie, Henry and Sonny Boy in the car parked about 100 yards off the main road.

The rest of the story as they say is history. About 3:30 PM Motorcycle Officers Wheeler, Murphy and Polk Ivy approached while on patrol. While Ivy went on ahead, Wheeler and Murphy turned off the road to investigate a black car they spotted in the distance. Most believe in mistaking Clyde's instructions, Henry Methvin open fire killing Wheeler. Murphy in hurriedly trying to load his shotgun which he carried unloaded-- was then felled by Clyde. One of the more interesting aspects of this story to me, is the sheer firepower apparently levied by Clyde and Henry-- in killing these 2 officers. News accounts from the time, list the spent shell casings found as including-- (3) 16 gauge shotgun shells, (5) .45 caliber auto shells, (3) 12 gauge shotgun shells and (1) rifle shell (thought to be from a BAR).

However next to the slain officers, the greatest immediate impact of the Grapevine incident-- may have been to Bonnie Parker. A report from a witness named William Schieffer, who lived several hundred yards away-- had Bonnie standing over the body of Officer Murphy and finishing him off, by rolling him over and firing into his chest. However Mr. and Mrs. Fred Giggal, who were following Wheeler and Murphy when they turned off-- then had heard shots and doubled back-- claimed they saw the taller of 2 men fire shots into a body on the ground. Never the less for Bonnie, it was too late. Once the newspapers got a hold of the Grapevine story-- Bonnie had been labeled a cold blooded killer.

Now whether Grapevine was the turning point, and beginning of the end for Bonnie and Clyde is debatable. Many believe it was Eastham which spelled the end for Barrow and his paramour. My take is-- that because Eastham had caused a physical posse to be sent out against them, which would claim their lives-- that Eastham was indeed the beginning of the end. But if that's true, then the outrage that was Grapevine-- sealed the deal.

Debunking Bonnie & Clyde Sexual Rumors-- A B&CHB Challenge "Again".

As many know, I've made this challenge before and I'm in that mood again. Seemingly day in and day out, week after week & month after month-- people visit this historical blog as elsewhere, to satisfy some overwhelming & burning curiosity-- concerning Bonnie & Clyde sexual rumors. These rumors mainly revolve around Clyde being homosexual, but have also involved other members of The Barrow Gang. I invite all who visit here for that purpose, to read the August 8th, 2009 post entitled Sordid Rumors and Innuendos Exposed. Within this expose'-- I involved other B&C Historians such as John Neal Phillips, Rick Mattix and Jim Knight to work with me-- in attempting to set the record straight, regarding the sources of these apparently unfounded but beloved?? rumors.

Based on such an intense interest in rumors no one seems to have good evidence for-- I'd like anyone with credible documentation, to support such a claim of homosexuality in Clyde-- or deviant sexual behavior in Bonnie or any member of the Barrow Gang, to contact me. If anyone has valuable info to share, I'll post it here on The B&CHB. Just be aware, if your source is a recently published B&C work-- written by a self styled expert on that Oh So Jolly Christmas Icon-- to me that's not the best source of B&C knowledge. With so much interest in this sordid subject, perhaps it's fair to ask why it almost seems "desirable"-- for Clyde to have been gay in some people's eyes?!? And for Bonnie to have been a nymphomaniac-- and for W.D. Jones and Henry Methvin to have been subservient sex toys (thanks Mr. Toland)-- or for Bonnie to be thought of as a prostitute (thanks Mr. Guinn).

And what about Ray Hamilton, Mary O'Dare and Joe Palmer??-- where are their supporters in all of this?? Hell-- Mary O'Dare has been labeled a prostitute for decades, and no one says much about her. I guess Ray had his own, so he and Mary don't count?? And why not throw in, all the pseudo members of the gang after the Eastham breakout?? What about Hilton Bybee and Jimmy Mullins. Wouldn't they have added to a good time?? I point out the ridiculous, as an illustration of just how ridiculous all of this sordid wonderment sounds.

The closest we seem to come, to knowing anything concrete about the sexual habits of any of The Barrow Gang, stems from 2 sources-- Jimmy Mullins in detailing who had a venereal disease in and around The Barrow Gang (not uncommon in the '30's)-- and From Dr. J. L. Wade, via an interview with his friend Dr. Carroll Rich-- 35 years after Wade's examinations of B&C. Although not noted in his coroner's inquest from 1934, Dr. Wade later revealed both B&C had gonorrhea. Regarding Clyde, to me it's a large leap from having a venereal disease while spending quite some time continuously with Bonnie Parker-- to any claim of homosexuality.

The same could be said of Bonnie regarding a claim of nymphomania. To me, having a venereal disease which was at near epidemic levels during the 1930's-- doesn't equate to abnormal sexual behavior. Bonnie was married previously, and was known to have dated during Clyde's stint in jail. And of course Clyde nearly got married-- but for the wishes of what would have been his future in laws. Clyde's fiance' also denied any deviant sexual habits in Clyde, in declaring him normal. Even in discounting family members, who may not be prone to reveal such things-- no one close to the gang or who was ever close to B&C including their ex-lovers, has even hinted at any sordid habits concerning Clyde or Bonnie.

Blanche's comments regarding W.D. Jones not liking to sleep alone "are" interesting, but I'm not sure what if anything of a nefarious nature-- could be garnered from her recollections, which were not elaborated upon. I suppose what "can" be gained from all of this, is that all present around The Barrow Gang were sexually active young people. That in itself is not unusual. But to build a case for all these rumors which have floated about, and declare them as fact-- much more would need to be known. Thus I invite all supporters of these scurrilous rumors, to take my challenge. I invite you to comment. I welcome your evidence. Or is this just about gossip, and the search for something juicy and adventurous??

I don't know-- but I do know that history is not about rumor, gossip, desire or guesswork-- history is about fact. And as I see it, the facts as are known-- do not support such sordid claims about Bonnie and Clyde. For some to write seemingly outside of their genres as some B&C authors have done-- either without viable footnotes, or apparently with less than adequate diligence and research-- I feel does a great disservice to this history. In my view, rumors such as those addressed here-- have been proliferated through less than accurate and sensationalized accounts of B&C History.

And for people to believe what is written out of hand, just because the ink is dry somewhere-- I suppose shows the need for many to think more carefully. Also, any attempt to defend guesswork within a "true" account of history, is in my humble opinion-- crap. Those who write autobiographies of mythical figures, might consider working harder to get it right-- when historical writing is involved. By the way Santa Sir-- I'd really like Peace on Earth and a Range Rover this year, if that can be arranged please. I really hope Tonya Holly can get her movie made-- as the "true" story of Bonnie and Clyde, seems so much more interesting-- than some of the B&C fiction that exists now. For more insight on this topic-- please visit the B&CHB Archive, and read the 8/8/09 post Sordid Rumors and Innuendos Exposed.

March 24th, Clyde's 100th Birthday-- Or Was That Last Year??

March 24th-- marks the birthday of arguably the most iconic of all American outlaws, Clyde Chestnut Barrow. I am making the distinction between 1930's outlaws and gangsters of the '20's-- due to the unique hardships, thrust upon the populous during this time. Although the date of March 24th is not in question, Clyde's year of birth has been debated seemingly since he died.

The most accepted account-- has Clyde being born in 1909. Others look to reported clarifications by the Barrow family, in listing Clyde's correct year of birth as being 1910. It's been said that the Barrow family Bible notes Clyde's birth year as 1910. The story's also been told of Cumie Barrow being so upset at the death of her son, that she inadvertently gave the wrong year of birth to the stone cutter for Clyde's tombstone. Speaking for myself, I've thought that 1909 was the correct date. But as it was pointed out to me, that this year (2010) may indeed be the 100th anniversary of Clyde's birth-- I felt it would be good to get to the bottom of this long standing controversy.

In preparation for this post, I asked Clyde's nephew Buddy Barrow, if he would please provide his insights concerning Clyde's correct date of birth. Buddy's now told me, he and his aunt Marie had reviewed the family Bible-- which contained errors. It's thought this Bible may have been a replacement, for one that had been in a fire. As such, Marie believed some recollections within the more recent Bible-- may not have been transferred accurately. Buddy's said that through his research, Clyde's date of birth as it appears on his tombstone is correct-- March 24th, 1909. This is verified by the 1910 census, which lists Clyde as being 1 year old. However, Buddy also mentioned, that Marvin's date of birth on his portion of the dual Barrow grave marker is incorrect-- in reading March 14th, 1905. It should read March 14th, 1903. My sincere "thanks" to Buddy Barrow for being so kind, in providing these most useful Barrow family clarifications-- for those who view The B&CHB.

Update-- I've now also learned, that Clyde himself may have aided in this mystery. A story exists from a reliable source, that when Clyde was headed to Huntsville-- he may have misrepresented his year of birth as 1910, to appear to be a juvenile-- in order that he might be placed in the Gateville Juvenile Detention Center, instead of going to the walls. This is supposedly the same incident, where he claimed his middle name to be Champion and exclaimed-- "how does it feel to have a champion in your midst??"

It's been suggested I provide a fitting memorial to Clyde here within this birthday post. However, as I am not into aggrandizing historical figures, and being the centrist I am in relating B&C History-- I feel quite comfortable in letting Clyde's considerable legacy speak for itself, on his birthday.

Streaks Are Meant To Be Broken-- Answers To The Latest B&C Polls

It's that time again-- time to reveal the answers to the B&C Polls. As answers this go 'round seemed all over the lot, somehow I knew that no one also participating in the monthly Poll Contest-- would likely get all these questions right. And that turned out to be the case. I may get some e-mails and phone calls this time, but as James Taylor said-- "that's why I'm here". As I try to use only reliable sources for the B&C Poll questions, but choose not to reveal all of them-- to preserve my ability to continue this favorite feature of many for a good long time, please know I trust in the seeds for these answers.

Some of the sources for this batch of queries were somewhat obscure, but they needed to be-- with the polls having been run through so efficiently, by at least one B&C expert for 2 months in a row. As I thought what fun is that?!?-- I set out with the help of my compadre' L.J. "Boots" Hinton to try and toughen up the polls. Many of you did well with these questions, but many too may be surprised at some of the answers. So here we go--

Bonnie's father Charley Parker (with corrected spelling)-- died on December 31st, 1914. Many wonder about this, as so little is known about Charley-- but I have it from the family that this date is correct. I purposely added the reference to Charley deserting his family, in attempting to debunk that rumor here. Well I'm sure my phone will be ringing, as many may think Emma never viewed Clyde-- but I'm going with what I believe to be a credible new report, which I quote in saying "Bonnie's mother also attended the funeral and gazed into the open casket at Clyde's face but said nothing". In a letter to W.C. Condit President of the Nebraska Sheriff's Association, Joplin Chief of Detective Ed Portley, said Buck paid Carl Beatty (his spelling) $100 and 2 Ford Model A's for his Marmon. As I've mentioned on occaision, based on info from the Joplin Police files on B&C-- the Marmon was offered as restitution to the families of Harry McGinnis and Wes Harryman.

In a newspaper article from the time, Sheriff Thigpen is credited as saying that initially, Dilbert Darby thought Pretty Boy Floyd, may have been responsible for kidnapping himself and Sophia Stone. Of course later, Darby and Stone got it right by picking out photos of their Barrow Gang assailants. Well, I finally skunked you all on a question again. It was McCamy Campbell Embalmer Tommy McCallum, who reconstructed Bonnie's lower face, which was so badly damaged by gunfire. Although not all the bullets were said to have been removed from either body, it was McCallum-- who for many years, reportedly wore a tie tack made from a bullet taken from Bonnie's body. Concerning the number of cars in the procession from the ambush site to Arcadia, 150 has been published as the estimate. "Boots" said his father Ted Hinton, commented the number was more than 100.

5 was the correct number of aeroplane flights to the Arcadia airport, related to the ambush of B&C. One of those trips, carried Dallas Sheriff "Smoot" Schmid to the event he long anticipated. At least one account, has Buck upstairs on the couch when the shooting started in Joplin. But not according to W.D. Jones-- who said it was Buck who opened the garage door, when all hell broke loose at number 3347 & 1/2 34th Street on April 13th, 1933. What a great address.

Well there you have it-- answers to the latest batch of B&C Polls. I have to double check, but I believe that so far-- the B&C Poll Contest for March is tied. It's good to see an ex-champion re-enter the fray, in competing again for monthly Poll Champion honors. I encourage more who have fun with the polls, to enter the poll contest each month. For instructions on how to enter, please view the paragraph on the polls within the notes section. As March's contest could well go down to the wire, please look for a new group of challenging B&C Polls (March round 2)-- to be posted soon. As always my thanks, to all who vote just for fun-- and also to those who participate in the monthly poll contests. Fun and knowledge are the goals-- of the B&C Polls on The B&CHB.

Was There Really An Aunt "Millie"-- In B&C History??

We all the know the story of Bonnie, Clyde and Ray Hamilton paying a visit to Bonnie's Aunt Millie in Carlsbad, NM in August of 1932. Although there are conflicting reports as to what actually happened, to cause Deputy Sheriff Joe Johns to be kidnapped as a result of their visit-- there's no doubt that Johns was indeed taken hostage by B&C, and later released 15 miles outside of San Antonio, Texas. Most have always assumed, that Aunt Millie Stamps was the Parker relative responsible for alerting Johns-- and thus causing this escapade, or-- that Mrs. Stamps was the unwitting recipient of good police work by the Deputy Sheriff, which made it appear that she had betrayed Bonnie and Clyde.

However, a review of news reports from that time-- seem to reveal no first name mentioned for Mrs. Stamp, as she was called (without the s). It appears Millie's 1st name may have been learned primarily from Emma Parker's recollections in Fugitives. As such, Aunt Millie has been written of for decades, by authors and historians in recounting this renowned story. Emma played down Millie's role in attempting to turn in Bonnie, Clyde and Ray that day-- in as much stating that she didn't believe Millie was responsible for this incident, as it was reported or rumored.

My purpose here, is to state my belief-- that Aunt Millie as so often described within the History of B&C-- may have actually been Aunt Nellie. It is widely believed that in Fugitives, names were changed to protect the innocent-- when told of by the families in 1934. Emma described the relative from the Carlsbad incident as a sister, which is close to true-- but it appears now, that person was not a sister of Emma's named Millie, but rather her sister in law-- Charlie's sister Nellie.

I'm now aware of credible documentation-- which repudiates the existence of a Millie within either the Parker or Krause families. However-- Bonnie's father Charlie Parker did have a sister named Nellie. And interestingly-- it's Nellie who's specifically mentioned within this 1st hand history, as being the Aunt who turned in B&C when B&C visited her. Aunt Nellie is said to have lived somewhere in West Texas. I've found the record of a Nellie Stamps within the 1930 census-- living in Pecos, Texas. Pecos is 86.3 miles from Carlsbad, NM. In 1930-- Pecos to Carlsbad was a pretty straight shot North on Rt 17 to Rt 2. Today, this trip would be made on Rt 285. This woman was born in 1881 and would have been 49 years old in 1930. This info makes sense in comparing the ages of Parker and Krause contemporary relatives during this time period. For example, Emma Krause, who married Charlie Parker-- was born in 1885. Charlie was born in 1882. Thus it seems reasonable, that Charlie's sister Nellie could have been born the year before him.

Furthermore, there's an ominous element within these new revelations, which "could" support a less than peaceful end for Aunt Nellie. In an interview provided on August 17th, 1932-- Deputy Sheriff Joe Johns recounted part of his hostage ordeal by saying "Shortly after leaving Carlsbad, Sunday morning they wanted to come back and kill Mrs. Stamp. She had gone down on her knees and begged them not to hurt me when they left her home. They told her to shut up but they did say they wouldn't hurt me. When they suggested going back and killing Mrs. Stamp I said "Oh don't do that fellows". They didn't say anything but kept right on driving."

Apparently the family too questioned what became of Aunt Nellie. It's my understanding that after noting Aunt Nellie had turned in B&C and that they had escaped-- it was wondered what became of Aunt Nellie??-- as it seems she was never heard of again. Perhaps she was dead?? Perhaps B&C got to her?? Maybe this was just playful family banter-- but based on Joe John's recollection made just days after the incident-- I find these thoughts most intriguing. I've had it asked before, whether Clyde could kill a woman?? But it seems for most, that's a hypothetical quandary both unsavory and untouchable. And would Clyde go as far as to kill a relative of Bonnie's, in knowing Bonnie's penchant for compassion-- or just walk away?? That's a hell of an interesting question??

Based on newspaper accounts I've read of this story, the Stamp home was located near the canal west of Carlsbad. This home is pictured in both olden and modern views, in Winston Ramsey's book-- so apparently it still stands. Recently I was asked, about the woman who's identified as Nellie Gonzales on the U.S. Bureau of Investigation wanted poster-- published just days before B&C were ambushed. To the person who asked, I'm sorry to have taken so long in answering. However based on research leading to this post, I am still unsure who this reported 1/2 sister of Bonnie's is?? That Nellie is listed as being from Harwood in Gonzales County, Texas. Gonzales County is located to the east of San Antonio. However as Nellie Gonzales is listed as Bonnie's 1/2 sister and Nellie Stamp(s) nee Parker was Bonnie's father's sister-- these 2 Nellies couldn't be considered the same person. I will say, the Parker family line seems more shrouded in mystery than the Krause family line-- as less seems known about it.

As I find myself getting into B&C research such as this from time to time, and as this mystery has been of particular interest to me-- I am now seeing what I can learn of Aunt Nellie as related to Carlsbad. I'm contacting historians in that area, and will let you know what I discover from my phone and Internet travels. Hopefully eye witness accounts, public records and additional newspaper articles can be accessed, which will shed new light upon this story.

Even though I'm now aware of this most reliable account, which reveals Aunt Nellie as being the Aunt who betrayed B&C-- I'm interested in learning more about Nellie and the Carlsbad incident. I'd like to learn whether Mrs Stamp(s) stayed in the Carlsbad, NM area for the rest of her days-- when she died-- and how?? Thus try and provide facts, to answer the question of whether Mrs Stamp(s) was perhaps ultimately killed-- for her actions or perceived actions against B&C?? While I'm at it, if I can-- I'll try to learn more about Bill Cobb-- who it's said helped Mrs. Stamp create a diversion, so she could slip off to a neighbor's house to call Deputy Sheriff Johns. I'm sure many would like to know, more about Bill Cobb's participation and recollections at Carlsbad that August day in 1932.

Perhaps the Carlsbad incident can be updated with new insights-- so please stay tuned. Credit along with my thanks to Winston Ramsey, for the photo of the Stamp house in Carlsbad. I wish I knew the date of this photo, as the house looks abandoned by that point. Perhaps I'll be fortunate enough to speak with it's current owners. If anyone has info concerning this topic, I would very much appreciate hearing from you. I welcome your comments.

Blanche Caldwell Barrow Frasure Auction Lot #2-- Blanche's Tea Pot-- Tea With Blanche Anyone?? Winning bid $31.

Now this is an interesting and personal Blanche item, if there ever was one. The item pictured, which looks so good on my kitchen table is Blanche's Tea Pot. Blanche's Executrix and friend of more than 30 years Lorraine Weiser, attests-- that this is the Tea Pot Blanche would serve tea to friends with. It's a nice size Tea Pot, which is brown in color-- with a pearlescent finish. Uniquely, the top of the Tea Pot is rounded, while it's body is octagonal in shape. There's not much else to say, except that after so many years-- it's condition is nearly perfect. There are just the slightest chips within the lip of the spout. An exceptionally nice item owned by Blanche Caldwell Barrow Frasure, meant for use in sharing joy, poignant moments and good conversation. If only this Tea Pot could talk.

Regarding this auction, the same rules apply to this item as were stated for the last. Please review the auction rules which appear within the offering for Blanche's personal check. You can bid by e-mailing me at bchistory@optonline.net This is a 2 week auction, which will end Friday March 26th at 10:00PM Eastern (U.S.). I don't know what else to say about these Blanche items, except to hope all with a love for this history-- will partake of these opportunities, to own items owned by Blanche.

Blanche Caldwell Barrow Frasure Auction Lot #1-- Blanche Check-- Winning bid $50.01

Let's start right in with one of the great Blanche items available through these offerings-- a personal check #2200, dated October 16th, 1981. This check is made out to Montgomery Ward and signed by Blanche, as Mrs Blanche Frasure. It's my understanding that in settling Blanche's Estate, 100's of checks like this one were discarded-- in not realizing their potential importance. Thus this could be one of the only remaining checks with Blanche's signature, known to be available. I obtained this check directly from the Executrix of Blanche's Estate, as an item that was owned by her since Blanche's passing in 1988-- until being provided to me recently. A COA signed by Blanche's Executrix, will be included with this item to the auction winner.

This is an interesting piece, in that a handwritten change of address was made on the check-- prior to it's being used. This check was negotiated, and bears a bank stamp on it's verso. As a collector of autographs and B&C Historian-- it's my belief that not a lot of Blanche signatures exist in any form. Autographs are a most personal expression from any historic figure, and a personal check when available-- is often one of the best documents, to assure authenticity of a signature. In this case, this rare check made out and signed by Blanche-- is a great way to own something from a Barrow Gang member. I have just one of these to offer through these auctions. This item was scanned, with only sharpness enhancement added-- to reflect accurately the good condition of this check. This Blanche check is offered as is.

Auction Rules-- This is a 2 week auction. Bidding will be accepted only via e-mail to bchistory@optonline.net There is no minimum bid, however I would encourage all to bid with respect for the legacy of Blanche in mind-- in other words, please refrain from frivolous bids. I will update this post with the current bid for all to see. Bidding for this item will close on Friday March 19th at 10:00 PM Eastern Time (U.S.). Bidding is open to all who can view this blog worldwide. No anonymous bids will be accepted, however all bidder identities will remain confidential during this process. Once bidding has ended, the winner will have the option to either be known by name and location or just location-- as in a state or country if desired. For international bidders, please know-- you must be able to accept and I must be able to ship a package to your location without issue.

If for any reason difficulty should arise, where a winning bid cannot be fulfilled-- the next largest bid will be declared the winner. Payment will be in U.S. dollars. Western Union Money Orders, U.S. Postal Service Money Orders or International U.S. Postal Service Money Orders will be the accepted methods of payment. Fair shipping costs, as well as costs for insurance and delivery confirmation-- will be added to the final selling price, payable prior to delivery. All shipped items "must" include a delivery confirmation via the U.S. Postal Service, Fed Ex, UPS or DHL. As these are unique items owned by an historic figure, and with adequate time to decide upon bidding-- all sales are final. All decisions concerning additional nuances of these offerings, including revision of auction rules based on circumstance-- rest solely with myself. I reserve the right to terminate any auction, for fair cause or abuse.

With all of that behind us-- let the bidding begin. Please enjoy this wonderful opportunity, and good luck gang.

Blanche Caldwell Barrow Frasure Personal Items-- To Be Offered "Exclusively" On The B&CHB

The wait is over!! Last November on the blog, I published plans for a Blanche Caldwell Barrow Frasure auction, which was to include a number of items-- in particular the Blanche manuscript, which was slated to be the auction centerpiece. As many are so keenly aware, this rare and remarkable document-- Blanche's handwritten record of her days with Bonnie and Clyde, is the only 1st hand account known-- provided by a Barrow Gang member who was present, throughout a number of well known B&C escapades.

But instead of offering this historic manuscript via the internet as originally planned-- for a number of reasons important to it's owner, it was decided Blanche's manuscript would be offered privately-- which has been the case for many months now. Behind the scenes, I have worked closely with the Estate of Blanche Caldwell Frasure and it's Executrix-- within this effort. As of March 1st, I can now report that the manuscript has been sold.

With this said concerning Blanche's manuscript, many know that the bulk of Blanche's B&C related items were auctioned off at The Heritage Galleries in 2006. What remains of Blanche's Estate, for the most part are personal items. I let it be known back in November, that there would be some Blanche items offered here-- for the loyal followers of The Bonnie and Clyde History Blog. As I am a man of my word, this brings me to the exciting news that follows.

I have access to a limited number of personal items owned by Blanche Caldwell (Barrow) Frasure, which I plan to offer here for those who follow The B&CHB. At least with what is available now-- this will be an "exclusive" offering. These are not B&C related items per se, but rather are personal items owned and used by Blanche. Other than a personal check or 2 with Blanche's signature, I would term these items personal belongings or knick knacks ie: a ceramic tea pot Blanche served tea to friends with, a small decorative milk pitcher-- likely used for the same purpose, silver butter spreaders, Blanche's crocheting needles etc-- this sort of thing-- personal items, which Blanche used in her daily life. Authentic Bonnie and Clyde artifacts are nearly impossible to come by. However for those with a keen interest in these outlaws and their history-- I would think any personally owned item from a Barrow Gang member, would be of considerable interest.

Additional auction rules could be amended within other posts-- however some thoughts now. My initial ideas to be fair to all would include, that each item be offered for a reasonable period of time-- perhaps a number of weeks. Anyone who can view this blog would be eligible to participate. As I don't have the facility here to conduct an eBay style auction, bidding would be conducted via e-mails to me. I would offer these items to worldwide bidding, without a minimum and without a buy it now option-- completely wide open. I feel that's fair. I will publish current bids, so all will know where the bidding stands. I would ask that out of respect for Blanche and her legacy, that bidding for her personal items be responsible-- without frivolous bids.

No anonymous bids would be accepted-- however the identities of all who bid, would be confidential between the bidders and myself throughout the bidding process. I would leave it up to the winner of each item, to choose whether they be identified by name or in lieu of that-- just by their location. Fair shipping costs will be calculated worldwide via an accepted carrier, plus appropriate insurance and delivery confirmation if available. These costs would be paid along with the winning bid, in advance of shipping. Also, if a lot winner is overseas, I must be able to ship and you must be able to receive a package from the United States. U.S. Postal Service money orders, or International U.S. Postal Service money orders would be the accepted method of payment-- although I may expand upon this. A certificate of authenticity and specific to each item-- will be provided along with each item.

I have more to figure out regarding all of this, including working up the 1st lot-- about which I will communicate with you soon. I hope all are excited at the prospects of perhaps owning something from Blanche. I wish these could be B&C related items-- however as expressed to me, they were Blanche's. Speaking for myself-- I know if I could own "anything" from a number of historic figures, I would certainly want to. My sincere thanks to Mrs. Lorraine Weiser, for generously providing me with some of Blanche's belongings, to be offered to followers of The B&CHB. There's more to come, so please stay tuned. As always, please address any questions or comments to me-- concerning this or other B&CHB happenings.

It's Time Again-- For The Bonnie & Clyde Polls

It's time to reveal the latest B&C Poll answers-- so here we go. Prior to being killed at Joplin, in addition to his regular duties as a Joplin motor detective-- Harry McGinnis once served as Chief of Detectives for the Joplin Police Dept. McGinnis filled the Chief Detectives post, during an Ed Portley illness. It was Aug Atz, who was not at the Okabena, Minnesota bank-- at the time it was robbed by The Barrow Gang. According to reports at the time, when Aug's daughter Cleo Atz heard the bank alarm-- she summoned her father, along with men at the implement store nearby. Mr. Atz grabbed a .32 caliber revolver and shot at B&C from the the alleyway behind the bank. It was noted, that someone in the car returned fire with a machine gun-- missing Mr. Atz. W. J. Kelly and D. B. Hovenden, were both customers of the bank-- and Sam Frederickson was one of the bank cashiers present that day. Mr. Hovendon was also the man who stopped to ask a suspected Bonnie and Blanche if they needed assistance, as they were spotted stationed in their getaway car-- outside of town earlier that morning.

Only one law enforcement officer or posse member, was said to have been hit by Barrow Gang return fire at Dexfield Park. That lawman was Deputy Sheriff C. C. "Rags" Riley, who as it turns out was a lucky man-- having suffered just a glancing blow to the head, from what was thought to be a shot from a BAR. Just 4 of the 7 BARs present at the National Guard Armory in Ranger, Texas were stolen during The Barrow Gang's invasion on February 20th, 1934. The other 3 BARs were apparently deemed too old and used to be of much purpose to Barrow.

Regarding the shell casings found at the Grapevine murder scene-- all of the above was the correct answer. To me the variety of shell casings found there, illustrates perhaps a more brutal reality than the simple story so often recounted of the Grapevine killings. The sheer scope of firepower used from so many different weapons-- the (3) 16 gauge shotgun blasts, (5) .45 caliber auto shots and (3) 12 gauge shotgun bursts-- apparently used to bring down just 2 motorcycle officers, I feel points to more than one shooter. It doesn't seem the truth-- that it was just a matter of firing a couple of shotgun blasts, in order to fell officers Edward Wheeler and H. D. Murphy. As many make the case that Henry Methvin killed both officers that day-- based on the ballistics evidence l respectfully disagree, in feeling both Clyde and Henry pulled the triggers at Grapevine. Please feel free to comment.

It was Floyd Hamilton's wife Mildred Hamilton, who tied with Marie Barrow, for the shortest sentences at the 1935 B&C Harboring Trial. Both received sentences of just 1 hour. Of all the participants in the saga of Bonnie and Clyde-- interestingly only Henry Barrow, was saved from being charged and receiving time during the Harboring Trial. As we now know that Mr. Barrow participated in many acts of protection for B&C as well as sharing in monies given to Henry and Cumie by the outlaws-- I wonder why Mr. Barrow was precluded from serving time as the others?? Henry was even known to have offered to help Bailey Tynes obtain weapons hidden by Clyde, as brokered through 2 middle men. Even Ted Hinton was known to have gone out of his way to help the elder Mr. Barrow protect his family-- by providing him a weapon and possible insulation from prosecution. Apparently the gentlemanly Henry Barrow, garnered that much respect and perhaps sympathy-- based on his respectful dealings with others.

Gladys Cartwright's 4 month old son was named John. Alonzo was Gladys' husband's name-- while Jack and Mitchell, were Gladys Pritchard Cartwright's brothers. And finally, the Sutherland, Iowa farmer who it's said encountered The Barrow Gang at his farm, helped authorities by leading them to bloody clothing, spent shell casings and by detailing the license plate number 11-2399-- which was also noted in the Fort Dodge service station hold ups. So here too-- the correct answer was all of the above. My thanks as always, for your participation in the B&C Polls. Look for all new polls to be posted soon-- here on The B&CHB.

Bonnie and Clyde Q&A-- What Did Bonnie Do, After She Helped Clyde Escape From Jail??

The question's been asked here on the blog-- what did Bonnie do after she helped Clyde escape from jail in Waco?? As Fugitives provides perhaps the best day to day account of Bonnie's actions from Waco thru Eastham-- I took this question to mean what did Bonnie do right after the Waco incident?? But as this query was a little hard to gauge, in an effort to be thorough-- I'll address both circumstances here.

As the story goes, on March 8th 1930, Bonnie visited Clyde at the McLennan County Jail-- and was introduced to Clyde's new friend William Turner. Turner who hailed from Waco, had been in prison previously-- where he had escaped and been re-captured. This time, he was up on a federal rap for robbing a post office. Having just re-entered confinement, Turner had an escape plan in mind, but needed help from someone on the outside. As Clyde liked Turner's plan, and felt he could provide the outside help needed-- in quick order he was in on the scheme. Clyde asked Bonnie to help them escape, to which she agreed. Clyde slipped her a map to Turner's parent's home, where she was to go and locate a hidden gun. This was the famous note where Clyde had included the message for Bonnie-- "You're the sweetest baby in the world to me".

Bonnie and her cousin Mary, who it's said wasn't such a willing participant in this unlawful endeavor-- went to Turner's parent's home while they were away and located the gun. Bonnie hid the pistol beneath her clothes and smuggled it to Clyde. On the night of March 11th, Clyde, Turner and another new inmate Emory Abernathy (also imprisoned for serious crimes)-- made their move, overtaking a guard and the prison's turnkey. Once the trio escaped, the plan was to pick up Bonnie-- who had returned to her cousin Mary's house along with her.

But by the following morning, Clyde hadn't shown to get Bonnie. As such, it's said Bonnie planned on returning home that evening. However, the young ladies became spooked by 2 men who knocked on Mary's door and then hung around-- waiting in their car outside the house for some period of time. Logically, Bonnie and Mary thought the 2 men might have been the law looking for them-- in having learned of their roles in Clyde's escape. But actually, these were 2 men sent by Clyde to get Bonnie. Unfortunately-- Bonnie didn't know this until later on.

When the men finally left, instead of taking public transportation-- Bonnie apparently hitchhiked back to Dallas. She didn't know Clyde was alright, until receiving a telegram from him-- sent from Nokomis, Illinois. In that telegram, Clyde told Bonnie he was OK-- and asked her to contact his mother and wait for him. Of course Bonnie's impending reunion with Clyde was not to be-- as soon afterward on March 17th, Clyde and his fellow escapees would be re-captured, after an eventful series of missteps in Middletown, Ohio.

After the Waco incident, Bonnie was known to have stayed close to the Barrow family for some period of time. However as the months wore on, she became less interested in Clyde. It's said Emma was pressuring Bonnie to dump Clyde, as to Emma-- Clyde was nothing but trouble. After some delay, apparently due to government acknowledged poor prison conditions, Clyde re-entered the Waco system. When he did and upon completing his paperwork, he apparently lied a number of times, including listing Bonnie as his wife. This could allow for visitation between them. But then upon being re-sentenced, he made the leap to the notorious Eastham Prison Farm.

Bonnie who initially had written to Clyde often, at more than one point-- pretty much stopped writing to him. She was said to have dated other young men during this period. Then for some reason before Christmas 1930, she began corresponding with Clyde again which rekindled their relationship. Of course after Clyde sacrificed 2 toes either to get out of work detail, or to go to Huntsville to be with Buck??-- less than a week later Cumie Barrow's work for her son's release paid off, when Clyde was granted a conditional pardon. On February 2nd, 1932 Clyde left prison on crutches. The rest as they say is history.

Now there are multiple stories, as to what happened to the gun Bonnie smuggled into the Waco jail-- that Clyde was said to have ditched in Middletown, Ohio. The purported gun from one account is pictured above. That's a fine topic for a future go round of Bonnie and Clyde Q&A. "Thanks" for another great B&C question.

The Story of Bonnie and Clyde-- An Update

As The B&CHB receives regular inquiries, regarding Cypress Moon's production of The Story of Bonnie and Clyde-- every so often, I exchange e-mails with Tonya Holly to ask her for an update on how the movie is going. Tonya and I have communicated again, so I wanted to provide all of you with the latest concerning the upcoming B&C movie.

Tonya says 2009 was a tough year for both schedules and financing. As the recent economic realities have affected many industries including independent film making, apparently financing has been tough to come by-- resulting in promises made falling through. Cypress Moon is now dealing with new investment groups, and is hopeful to be shooting by the end of April.

I do have one significant news flash concerning the film, in that Tonya has revealed they do plan on shooting the ambush scene in Bienville Parish, Louisiana-- at the actual ambush location on old LA Hwy 418. If all goes well, they may be shooting the ambush close to the actual day B&C were killed. I don't know about all of you, but to me-- using that final turn and crested hill as the ambush location, is fabulous news!! You can't provide more realism for the ambush, than using the actual spot in which B&C were waylaid.

This is the latest information available as of now. As in the past, I'll do my best to keep everyone updated on The Story of Bonnie and Clyde as I learn more. My sincere "thanks" to Tonya S. Holly of Cypress Moon Studios-- for sharing her insights with the followers of The B&CHB, on this wonderful and highly anticipated B&C movie project.

January's B&C Polls-- A Look At Round 2

Round 2 of January's B&C Poll questions seemed to have stumped some but not others. This batch was largely based on reported accounts from the time. So here we go-- the 1st 2 questions had to do with the Ruston, LA incident. H. Dillard Darby and Sophia Stone were home for lunch and apparently enjoying some time together, when they witnessed the theft of Dillard's car-- upon which they jumped into Miss Stone's car and attempted to follow Darby's car. As the chase neared the town of Hico-- Dillard realized he wouldn't be able to overtake his car, and turned around in order to return to Ruston. According to published reports, Darby was subsequently flagged down by a man he thought was Warren Robinson-- a friend of his. But instead of being Robinson-- it was members of The Barrow Gang. Darby was reportedly slugged by one of the Barrow brothers-- and Stone was said to have been yanked from her car, and hit by Bonnie Parker on the back of the neck with a pistol butt. It was a local farmer who was said to have witnessed these events, and made the 2nd call to a local Sheriff.

Gun Crazy starring Peggy Cummins and John Dall, was the 1949 film noir production about the crime spree of a gun toting husband and wife-- which is credited as beginning the B&C movie craze. I would have also accepted this film's alternate title, Deadly is the Female as a correct answer. Regarding the Sowers ambush attempt, a number of items were reportedly recovered from B&C's car in addition to what is visible on Sheriff "Smoot" Schmid's desk the day after the ambush. Among these items, were 2 stolen parcel post packages from Montgomery Ward, Fort Worth-- addressed to a Mr. A. W. Harris on the U.S. mail route to Ivan, near Breckenridge, Stephens County, Texas. Also found in the car were a bottle of water, a jar of white whiskey, numerous sets of stolen license plates, a medical kit, clothing, a sack of pennies, and what was described as a large quantity of stolen merchandise. Also regarding Sowers, it was said B&C were traveling about 25 miles per hour--when the posse opened up on them.

Concerning Bonnie and Clyde books, there may be more-- but I am aware of at least 25 books which have been written on B&C. There are also numerous books, which include chapters or accounts of Bonnie and Clyde within them. James White was the name provided by Bonnie Parker to Millie Stamps as being her husband-- when B&C visited her aunt Millie in Carlsbad, New Mexico in August of 1932. As the story's told, Bonnie, Clyde and Ray Hamilton showed up unannounced at Bonnie's aunt's on August 13th of that year. Mrs. Stamps became concerned, when she was asked to wash bloody clothing and witnessed a large sum of cash stashed under a mattress. Although conflicting reports exist regarding this incident, it's thought Millie created a diversion along with Bill Cobb-- the cantaloupe farmer she had let land to, to allow Millie time to notify Deputy Sheriff Joe Johns of the strange occurrences at her home. Johns, the former Sheriff was captured by Barrow and Hamilton. A search for Johns ensued, which ended when Johns walked into the San Antonio, Texas Sheriff's office-- telling of being kidnapped by 2 men and an 18 year old girl.

And finally 5 people died in what's known as the Kansas City Massacre. On June 17th, 1933, 4 law enforcement officers were gunned down as they escorted their prisoner Frank "Jelly" Nash-- at Kansas City's Union Station depot. Nash was also killed during the melee. Nash was being escorted back to Leavenworth, where he had escaped 3 years before. Although credit for these killings is often given to a gang led by Vernon Miller as an attempt to free Nash, various notorious criminals of the day were investigated for this crime including The Barrow Gang. This incident was also rumored to have possibly been a hit on Nash. Interestingly, as 2 of the fallen officers and Nash were said to have been killed by shotgun blasts, and the only known shotguns at the scene were carried by the peace officers-- it's thought by some that friendly fire may have killed 2 of the officers and Nash. In addition to Nash, those who died included Bureau of Investigation agent Raymond J. Caffrey, McAlester, Oklahoma Chief of Police Otto Reed, as well as Kansas City Police officers W. J. Grooms and Frank Hermanson. After more than 75 years-- The Kansas City Massacre remains unsolved.

"Thanks as always"-- for your participation in the B&C Polls. Look for the 1st batch of February polls to be posted soon.