Bonnie and Clyde Rumors-- Sex, Sex, Sex, Sex, Sex, Sex. Did I Mention Sex??

The news clipping above could well be real, as when those interested in Bonnie & Clyde surf the Net-- they're often armed with a variety of questions concerning America's most iconic outlaws.  And when visiting sites such as this-- sometimes those queries can be elevated to "burning questions" status.  It's usually apparent from keywords or phrases entered, which path of interest people wish to explore. Sometimes these keyword entries are poignant, sometimes insightful-- and sometimes seem laced with humor, whether intended or not by those who write them.

Bonnie & Clyde sexual rumors have captured the imagination of many over the years, who feel there may be something to them (or wish there was)-- even though seemingly no true evidence exists, to support lurid Bonnie & Clyde promiscuity in one form or another. As I respect fairness-- I surely won't pale from this issue or dismiss it, as some needless exercise which lives only within the minds of some.  But at the same time, I feel it important to stay focused in promoting factual Bonnie & Clyde history-- especially in dealing with unfounded rumors, which include Bonnie & Clyde sexuality.  

With that in mind-- every so often I'll poke some good natured fun at memorable keyword entries, to highlight unusual questions and comments made-- by those hoping to turn water into wine within their searches for Bonnie & Clyde sexcapades.  When true historical questions are asked-- I'll usually smile, and think "bless you".  However, you've gotta hand it to those "hellbent" on exploring Bonnie and Clyde sexual issues-- until by God, they learn the "sordid truth"-- and for the creative ways they phrase things.  

For research into this subject, more likely to "be" true-- please view the August 8th, 2009 post "Sordid Rumors and Innuendos Exposed" (link in Popular Posts << blog left, now re-edited.  I plan a follow up to this oft-read piece at some point, with newly researched info which could shed additional light on the source(s) of Bonnie & Clyde sexual rumors.  Some sources may surprise you-- and some may not.  But for now, please enjoy some Bonnie & Clyde keyword slings and arrows (aimed every which way)-- within a seemingly "insatiable" quest for Bonnie & Clyde sexual insights.  

Bonnie & Clyde couldn't perform sex    

"Finally" someone who knows for sure.

Was Bonnie a homosexual?  

So if Bonnie & Clyde were both gay??--  

"hell"-- it's B&C rumors overload!! 

Bonnie and Clyde no sex

"Nope, that's it"-- "No sex for you".

The Bonnie & Clyde effect.                       

Not a sexual comment-- but I like it.

Clyde Barrow impotent or gay?   

"Checkmate"!!

Blanche Barrow's dog Snowball

Blanche & Snowball would thank you.

Bonnie & Clyde movie gay                 

But some people liked it.

Bonnie and Clyde have sex

"That's better"-- more encouragement please.

Bonnie & Clyde bi-sexual

Someone knows their Statistics--
the most subsets.

What was wrong with Clyde Barrow sexually?     

I don't know-- but I'll leave it to you to ask him.

Bonnie Parker and Frank Hamer photo               

Don't believe everything you see in movies.       

Tijuana Bible-- Passionate Mother

I'm.. "not" goin' there.

Bonnie Parker was stripped nude.

Something we can all count on, when we pass.

Luckiest cop alive patrolman Polk Ivy 1934         

I want this person to title a book for me.  

Did Clyde Parker have sexual problems?               

"My new favorite"!! 

Buddy and Clyde

Eh-- ah-- "Oh".

Clyde Barrow sex preferences truth

Seems a "key" question in all the world 
for some.

Jeff Guinn Bonnie and Clyde movie

"No, no-- a thousand times no!!" 

Bonnie and Clyde du sexe                                    

Looks so much cooler in French. 

Bonnie Parker Moon's drive in 

Not sure what this means-- 
but didn't know that. 

Bonnie & Clyde sex movie                                    

"OMG"-- You Tube's gonna crash.

Bonny and Clide sex

Too many double entendres.

Bonnie Parker W.D. affair 

Most of these come from California,

but this one came from Texas.

Why couldn't Bonnie have sex with Clyde?

Why couldn't Clyde have sex with Bonnie?

Posted 10 minutes apart and from 
2 different places-- it's true!!

So there you have it.  Proof positive, the fascination with Bonnie & Clyde sexual rumors is alive & well. My challenge of many years-- remains as vital now as ever concerning this topic.  I've challenged anyone, to please produce real evidence (not innuendo or supposition)-- to support any Bonnie & Clyde sexual rumor.  You'd think after so long-- someone somewhere, would've been able to back these rumors if true.  The more time that passes, with accounts of those closest to Bonnie & Clyde still standing as testimony to these rumors being false-- the less likely it seems, scurrilous Bonnie & Clyde banter may ever be supported.  

I and others familiar with this history could be wrong-- but I still say "show me some evidence"-- or likely consider these rumors just that.  Keep those questions and keyword phrases coming in-- and seek "truth" in Bonnie & Clyde History.

   

Bonnie & Clyde-- Taken Down From Within. But At What Cost Betrayal??

Until 2007-- the Methvin family (rumored for decades, as being involved to a greater or lesser degree?? in betraying Bonnie & Clyde)-- were known as the key protagonists, in spelling the end for America's most iconic outlaws.  But unbeknownst to all who studied this history until the new millennia, prior to the Spring of '34-- Bonnie & Clyde had their share of turncoats, many of whom (whether realized or not) betrayed them from within.  For once released, those insightful Bonnie & Clyde Dallas FBI files (file 26-2114)-- shed enormous light on realities previously known only to participants within this history, and Federal law enforcement who in truth-- played a much larger role than previously thought re: the tracking of Bonnie & Clyde.

Indeed one need look no farther than Cumie Barrow's own brother in law Jim Muckleroy, who within an interview held with U.S. Bureau of Investigation agents in March 1933-- "spilled the beans" in a profound way regarding "key" info divulged concerning Bonnie & Clyde. "Ah"-- that pesky prescription bottle, found in the car owned by Dr. E. L. Damron of Effington, Illinois.  That little clue, found within a car stolen on September 2nd, 1932 and later recovered in Pauhuska, Oklahoma.  That lone "carnapping"-- would not only lead to Federal charges of Interstate auto theft against Bonnie & Clyde-- but also garner important leads for the law, in bringing a fledgling Barrow Gang into greater focus. 

For the tracing of that prescription bottle (not belonging to Dr. Damron)-- led Bureau Agents to Cumie Barrow's sister Mrs. James Muckelroy-- who's name was on the script.  When interviewed, Mr. Muckelroy provided what must have seemed a "bonanza" of information to investigators-- including (almost as an aside) an explanation re: the prescription bottle.  As explained by Mr. Muckelroy-- his wife remembered giving it (soon to be refilled anyway)-- to her nephew L.C. Barrow, who was in need of medication to combat a venereal disease. But not only was L.C. there on that visit to Martinsville, Texas in the late Summer of '32-- but Mr. Muckelroy revealed others present that day, who were of keen interest to law enforcement.  For also present, were Clyde Barrow, Clyde's "wife" Bonnie, Cumie Barrow and her young daughter of about 17 years of age.  That would've been Marie.

Mr. Muckelroy would further explain that Clyde & Bonnie traveled all over the country, and that he didn't know the maiden name of Clyde's wife-- but thought they married in Dallas.  Also that the Barrows lived at and operated a filling station in Oakcliff, West Dallas (with directions).  But that's not all.  By the time investigators had processed info from this meeting and generated a report-- they had noted Artie and Nell Barrow, their occupations and locations-- that Clyde had visited the Muckelroys previously with 2 other men whom Mr. Muckelry provided descriptions of-- had told of Buck Barrow having stayed with them after escaping from prison, and once having recuperating there from sickness-- again having surrendered.  He also seemingly provided detailed descriptions of Clyde, L.C. & Bonnie right down to scars, tattoos and Bonnie's bullet wound ("left foot in toe next to little toe").  

In fact, by the end of this Bureau document (dated March 6th '33)-- the law had already linked Clyde (wanted for murder, robbery, kidnapping and car theft)-- to Gene O'Dare and Raymond Hamilton.  Also seemed certain that Gene O'Dare's wife was a sister to Ray Hamilton.  "And" had identified Bonnie as the wife of Roy "Harding" (a misidentification that would plague the Bureau for months, and inhibit their ability to learn more about Bonnie.  But they knew of Bonnie's sister Mrs. Fred Mace alias Billie Parker and the Mace's address.  Also that L.C. lived at home, and about his pending charges in Kaufman, TX.

Bottom line-- some pretty nifty results, at least in part-- from the discovery of a prescription bottle errantly left behind, in one stolen car by L.C. Barrow.  In fairness to Mrs. Muckelroy-- Mr. Muckelroy told police he would just as soon his wife not know he had furnished any information as to the Barrows, as Mrs. Cumie Barrow and his wife were sisters. But bless Mr. Muckelroy-- as that too would be relevant info.  

In addition to these important insider revelations, you can include other Barrow and Parker relatives as having contributed to the downfall of Bonnie & Clyde.  Surely Barrow cousin Bailey Tynes (also on Cumie's side of the family)-- was instrumental in providing "remarkable" information during the immediate time leading up to Bonnie & Clyde's May 1934 ambush.  Please view the August 29th, 2009 post on Bailey Tynes, for revelations beyond those found in the FBI Files.  I learned of these rare Bailey Tynes stories, through interviews conducted with Tynes family members-- at least one of which, heard Bailey tell his Bonnie & Clyde accounts 1st hand.  

And to know of Bailey's stories as told without the Bureau's knowledge-- is to view Bailey within a quite dangerous game of having helped Bonnie & Clyde (including letting them stay at his home)-- while at different times heading off to stay with Cumie and Henry Barrow in Dallas, to report back to the Bureau from within the Barrow residence.  Damned remarkable!!  It's no wonder, he sent his children to live with relatives during this period to insure their safety.  And no wonder, the Bureau sent an Agent to follow Bailey on his travels.  That fact makes more sense, once you know the private Bailey stories. 

Also for those not aware of this-- according to Bailey, at one point he tried to lure Bonnie & Clyde into meeting him within a Pecan orchard.  Reportedly waiting in the woods there-- were Federal Agents poised to attempt capture of the elusive pair, well before Gibsland.  To me, one of the more remarkable stories told re: Bonnie & Clyde.  None of these revelations are in the Bureau files, but I imagine they wouldn't be-- as documentation concerning Bailey Tynes was most often dependent on Bailey's disclosures.

Then there's the Sower's informant-- long thought to be Marie's husband Joe Bill Francis.  I as many, feel the evidence points pretty squarely at Joe Bill.  Some from Joe Bill's family have most graciously contacted me over the years, to support Joe Bill-- and tell me of his life post Bonnie & Clyde.  I must say I've surely appreciated those who've reached out to me in that regard-- and find stories of his later life both inspiring and admirable.  In relating to Francis family members, I've found myself quite conscious of his family's heartfelt defense of Joe Bill-- concerning rumors of betrayal, which have dogged them for decades.  

However my thoughts are-- that for all their wonderful support of him post '30's-- no one to date, has presented evidence (including any statement of denial known from Joe Bill)-- to help quell those rumors.  Believe me, I've tried-- to learn of Joe Bill's thoughts concerning this matter as expressed at any time during his life.  As I've expressed to the Francis family-- the door is always open here, for an objective defense of Joe Bill Francis should new evidence be brought to light.  

Beyond Sowers, there's also the Bureau's interview with Edith and Buster Parker-- who were helpful in a way not dissimilar to the assistance Jim Muckelroy provided the prior year.  When given an opportunity to speak with Charles Winstead on January 5th, 1934, Edith opened up-- in revealing family info on Bonnie & Clyde but particularly re: Bonnie & the Parker family.  Buster was more reserved and direct-- in saying if ever he could learn of Clyde's whereabouts while separated from Bonnie-- he wouldn't hesitate to put Barrow on the spot.  Edith provided the additional insight, that Bonnie & Clyde would not come around them, due to Buster's dislike of Clyde & Bonnie's "mode of living".  Despite the idea that Billie seemingly understood Bonnie's devotion to Clyde-- it was apparent the Parker family was clearly of the view that Bonnie should disassociate herself from Clyde Barrow.  A notion Bonnie never took to heart.

There were other informants along the way, comprised of the criminal element known to Bonnie & Clyde.  W.D. Jones and others such as Jimmy Mullens, and Hilton Bybee seemingly sang like birds when confronted with the right pressures.  To me, those "helps" for the law would be expected.  But whether for the sake of conscience, or a respect for righteousness and the victims involved-- it's the "family confessors"-- whom I suppose are of more interest to many who follow this history.  The Methvin family can surely lay claim to the most profound betrayal of Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow, for their sell out resulted in the deaths of the outlaws.  But now that more is known, it also pays to acknowledge others "from within"-- who contributed to Bonnie's so famous end line--"But it's death for Bonnie and Clyde".

Now was there a price paid for the betrayal of Bonnie & Clyde??  Those looking into the still mysterious deaths of Ivy and Henry Methvin, might think so-- as perhaps Parker or Barrow retribution could've been  true??  But sometimes, too much is read into tragedy-- which can blur the lines between fact & fiction.        

  

A Visit to the Barrow Filling Station and Residence. Someone Needs to Save This Important Piece of Bonnie & Clyde History

Every saga of history has it's locations, where "history was made". And if so fortunate, those of us living lives within our own times-- can visit these hallowed spots to gain insights into history.  Bonnie & Clyde History is no different-- for within the saga of Bonnie & Clyde,  we're familiar with many of the locations where this deadly cat and mouse game played out-- which would eventually spell the end for Bonnie Parker & Clyde Barrow, and grant welcomed satisfaction for the law after a prolonged struggle.  

Unfortunately, many Bonnie & Clyde historical spots have been lost over the years-- with some removed from existence within just the recent past.  In Louisana, Bonnie & Clyde's last hideout is gone-- so is Congers, Dr. Wades office, Gus Cole's little store near the Sailes Corner-- where Clyde reportedly bought an Orange Crush drink for LeVohn Cole, & her cousin-- and the Gibsland School where the wrecker towing Bonnie & Clyde's car (with bodies still inside)-- broke down.  There school children including Mildred Cole who told of this story-- learned an important lesson in life, and shared a unique experience likely never forgotten.

In Dallas, a number of residences so famously recounted within this history no longer exist-- including Buster & Edith Parker's home where Edith introduced Clyde to Bonnie.  However the Lilly McBride house still stands, as does Raymond Hamilton's house.  The former location of Hargrave's Cafe is still there-- however it sits within sight of Baylor University Hospital, who reportedly owns the land.  And you know, when hospitals need new parking spots-- they'll often utilize lands owned for such "vital" needs.  

But just around the corner from Swiss Circle-- the glass works where Clyde once worked is now reportedly gone.  When I was there a few years back (and fortunately for my memory snapped a photo of it)-- the building which housed the United Glass and Mirror Company at 2614-16 Swiss Avenue was still there.  However, construction was in progress immediately next to this building to enhance DART-- the Dallas Rapid Transit system. So I'd make a wager, DART took down this Bonnie & Clyde landmark left unprotected for decades-- for a use of their own.  So too in other locales such as Wellington and Platte City-- time has reclaimed land where Bonnie & Clyde haunts once stood, as testimony to a history filled with memorable & dramatic events.  

This brings me to the Barrow Station and residence.  No one to date has protected this important Bonnie & Clyde  historical site.  Having been sold by the Barrow family in the '40's-- the station's had different owners and uses over the years, often utilized for auto related ventures.  The land, building and adjacent lot-- are currently owned by a Dallas corporation.  I would think some who've owned the Barrow property, would appreciate walking within a building so steeped in history.  But I'll bet there have been others, who've cared very little about what happened there before.   

A few years back, I'd made an attempt to inspire a couple of individuals known within this history-- to consider buying the station to preserve it for history.  Part of that attempt, also involved inquiring about obtaining historical status through the State of Texas for this site.  As the Oakcliff section of West Dallas has seen a boon in construction recently, and a new viaduct has been erected from downtown Dallas to the West Dallas side of the Trinity River-- it seems more important than ever, to protect this important Bonnie & Clyde location while there's still time.  Last I heard, the asking price for the Barrow station and land is $300,000.

It surely seems many who are passionate about Bonnie & Clyde History care to think of this stuff-- but for the States of Texas and Louisiana and even for the locals involved, there's doesn't seem "a hill of beans" interest in protecting Bonnie & Clyde historical sites.  So every once in a while, you'll hear one Bonnie & Clyde site or another is gone.  

Perhaps someone seeing this article, will contact me with interest in the Barrow Station.  As there's been talk of turning an historically protected Barrow Station into a museum (good idea)-- perhaps that notion can be rekindled again.  It also pays to remember, The Star Filling Station wasn't just there to aid the Barrows in making a living-- but it was their home as well (located within an attached structure behind the business). 

As many around the world have likely not had the opportunity to visit this spot, where Bonnie, Clyde and many others within the history walked and lived-- I've posted photos I took a few years back.  I hope you'll enjoy seeing (up close & personal)-- the hallowed Barrow digs.  For anyone with interest in protecting the Barrow station & residence-- please contact me, as I'll gladly steer you in the right direction to initiate action concerning landmark status, partnership re: a museum or ownership.  Someone needs to save this indispensable part of Bonnie & Clyde History.  Perhaps it will be you.  Those who wait for others to act, sometimes share in disappointment.  Hopefully-- not the case here.

For those who'd like to visit the Barrow station and residence-- it's 1930's address of 1620 Eagle Ford Road, is more easily found today at it's current address-- 1221 Singleton Blvd (corner of Singleton Blvd & Borger St) in Oakcliff, West Dallas. 
 

The Ambush of Bonnie and Clyde. After 78 Years-- Still a Poignant Moment in History

As May 23rd marks the 78th anniversary of the ambush of Bonnie & Clyde, many will pause at 9:15 AM Central time U.S.-- to share karma with those who participated in both the celebrated and mourned carnage that fateful day in 1934.  If you've ever been to the ambush site, on what's still a desolate stretch of road 7 miles South of Gibsland, Louisiana-- it "can" be an eerie feeling, especially if you're exploring those Pine laden hills alone.  Some say when there at night, the "sewing machine" like purr of Clyde's Fordor V8 can still be heard in the distance-- advancing 'round the bend, and steadily towards what is always certain doom for the loving desperadoes.  For those who study this history, Bonnie & Clyde's deaths were a certainty.  However many truths, which surely existed for those who lived Bonnie & Clyde History-- remain shrouded, as if lurking in the shadows-- but without our ability to see them.  

For the ambush of Bonnie & Clyde is steeped in controversy-- both past & present.  But no matter the facts supported or theories espoused-- such an impassioned history is bound to inspire heated debate.  And it does.  Within the many topics favored by Bonnie & Clyde aficionados-- invariably, the ambush ranks near the top of the most heavily bantered queries.  So "was" Ivy Methvin (just 49 at the time, but thought older by many who live & breathe this history)-- indeed positioned in the road next to his truck to entice Bonnie & Clyde to stop, or was he in fact handcuffed to a tree as Ted Hinton would reveal in his memoir "Ambush"??  

"Or" in an unforeseen twist, as I and others heard directly from those old enough to have heard from those alive at the time-- was it another Methvin family member standing near the car, someone Bonnie & Clyde would also trust-- to act as the lure for them??  Interestingly, this possibility would allow for Ted Hinton's story re: Ivy to be true.  As we now know-- the betrayal of Bonnie & Clyde was indeed a family affair, so one could ask why couldn't this story concerning Terrell Methvin be true??  Perhaps Ivy Methvin "was" forced to balk-- when faced with the reality that Henry's whereabouts couldn't be confirmed by the law prior to Bonnie & Clyde's car approaching that day.  As a parent and thinking you have a deal to protect your son-- what would you have done, if you felt your son could be in that car-- and soon be killed by those in your presence you were assisting??     

Many may be unaware that Ted Hinton's bombshell revision of the ambush, concerning Ivy being detained against his will and not at the truck when Bonnie & Clyde approached-- was "not" 1st known through his book.  During the famous Ted Toddy trial in Atlanta, meant to prove which Bonnie & Clyde death car was authentic-- Hinton testified "under oath" concerning his participation at the ambush, revealing details which contradicted other posse members including the location of Ivy when the shooting started.  So one is left to wonder,  how a lawman with seemingly such a stellar reputation for integrity as Ted Hinton-- would lie under oath re: ambush particulars??  Good question, which begs another.  If it was Hinton who told the closest version of the truth-- where does that leave other somewhat conflicting posse members stories??  "Ah"-- for that's the rub.  

Then you have the issue of a reported Bonnie Parker pregnancy, as it relates to her on many levels-- as a woman, as Clyde's lover and in having more than just 2 lives??-- so savagely snuffed out that unusually hot morning in May of '34.  At least one standout principal, Frank Hamer-- admittedly knew of Bonnie likely with child (or thought so)-- before passing that knowledge (apparently already discussed) to The U.S. Bureau of Investigation clearly "in advance" of the ambush.  But just as with Watergate-- the question concerning the rest of the posse then becomes, what did they know-- and when did they know it??  The Bonnie rumors were out there prior to the ambush-- to the point where members of the Dallas Press were dispatched to Arcadia to view Bonnie in death, to see if  she appeared with child.  This makes one wonder how lawmen so close to the actual situation, wouldn't know of this possibility prior to pulling multiple triggers to end Bonnie's life??

Pregnancy possibilities aside-- I participate in Bonnie debates with those on all sides of these issues on a regular basis.  Did Bonnie deserve to die, and would she have left Clyde if given the opportunity??  As it's believed B&C did separate at times to visit family members on their own-- Bonnie apparently had the opportunity to leave Clyde, (a wish encouraged by her family)-- but ultimately stood steadfastly by her man, knowing she would die with him.  Now was Bonnie Parker culpable for murders committed by members of The Barrow Gang within various incarnations??  In my view, most certainly-- as I don't think there's doubt if she had lived, she would've been tried as an accessory to murder in being present for many of the killings-- and for likely loading bullets, fired to end the lives of at least some known victims.  

However I find it both remarkable and repulsive-- that some have called for "silence" in encouraging investigations into a Bonnie Parker pregnancy not go forward.  It's been asked "what difference would it make now all these years later, if Bonnie was pregnant"??  My response has been-- "the same difference it would've made in 1934".  "A lot of difference".  For if it had been known that Bonnie was pregnant when killed-- there may have been a severe public backlash against the law, concerning their handling of the whole affair-- with negative repercussions concerning both personal reputations and lawmen in general.  It seems in trying to stifle what could be the truth now-- it's "CYA" time in the lawmens' camp. 

Along with those who called them unmitigated heroes-- the posse members had their detractors, for their stealth-like tactics and brutality employed at the ambush.  Many have viewed (and still do)-- this deadly "assurance plan" as just plain smart-- where others have questioned the posse's grit, in thinking the posse cowardly for not facing up to whatever element of The Barrow Gang might have returned fire that day.  This discourse has only been heightened in recent years, by revelations that the law likely could've attempted capture of Bonnie & Clyde sooner than May-- and perhaps without the glory and fanfare of such an assassination, leading to unintended martyrdom of the outlaws.  

The moral dilemma concerning Bonnie Parker presents numerous human & ethical challenges.  A key question has been, in feeling she may have been with child-- should or could the law have attempted to save and imprison Bonnie, rather than apologetically fill her full of lead??  Also, if you believe in the sensationalized Hamer family recollections, or read between the lines of Capt. Hamer's own words-- one might conclude Hamer had a vendetta against Bonnie (more evidently than Clyde)-- resulting in some particularly heinous approach and one-man justice enacted by Hamer against Bonnie at the ambush.  

This assertion has been added to ambush lore by Jeff Guinn, the "hired gun" Simon & Schuster sometimes fiction/ sometimes non-fiction writer-- in using research which L. J. "Boots" Hinton would term "facts not in evidence".  But to believe in such a claim, you'd necessarily need to call Dr. James Wade either incompetent, a liar-- or one pressured by coercion, to have covered up such a bold attack by Hamer from the right side of the Warren car.  Professor Carroll Rich (who knew Dr. Wade personally)-- has told me James Wade wouldn't be pressured by any man.  But plain & simple-- the detailed evidence compiled by the Coroner (Dr. Wade) in front of all to see that day, doesn't support such an vengeful and needless attack.  

Plus it's a good thing Hamer wasn't at the right of the car, when Bob Alcorn admittedly fired at it-- apparently making the few holes which appear "above" Bonnie's window.  I've wondered about those errant shots??-- as you'd think Alcorn a better marksman than that from such close range.  As surely he knew who he was firing at-- perhaps there's an unwritten story of compassion there?? So when you shake out the Hamer vs Bonnie contention, it seems when considering such a bold theory-- the addition of non-expert supposition doesn't change history.

But not to be outdone, in adding another wild theory to an ambush soup already rich with controversy-- there's Gordon Baker's assertion of a "7th Man" at the ambush.  A most interesting contention-- but one not  backed by proof anyone can find.  I've attempted to warn some over the years, that when pontificating re: Bonnie & Clyde-- that they better bring their proof with them. Otherwise some within this history, who tow the status quo more often than not-- will berate those with unsubstantiated theories, sometimes to the aim of public humiliation.  My issue with this discourse, is not just one of decency & decorum-- but also one of fairness, in knowing some who like to criticize others-- also possess, unproven theories with highly debatable claims.  

So concerning the ambush of Bonnie & Clyde-- there's never a dull moment, where "bountiful" theories abound.  In deciding on a pic for this post, I opted for a photo taken a few years back of the ambush marker-- which sits across the road from where Bonnie & Clyde's bullet riddled car came to rest.  This marker is often and regularly defaced by both supporters and detractors of the outlaws.  On the day I took this photo, the sentiment-- which rightfully should include all who lived this remarkable history-- was conspicuously skewed in favor of the West Dallas desperadoes.  Ted Hinton would tell the story, of how in the '30's-- there seemed as many people trying to protect Bonnie & Clyde-- as were trying to catch them.  

But even after all these years-- when you see such a human sentiment as that expressed by some today-- it makes you wonder, whether much has really changed??  I welcome your comments.  

Bonnie & Clyde-- Alive and Well in Washington, D.C.

As far as I can tell,  Bonnie & Clyde had never seen our nation's Capital-- although in now knowing of their travels to the far reaches of North Carolina, I'm not sure I would've put it past them.  But today, they surely maintain a spot of honor amongst a remarkable array of historical crime information and artifacts at The National Museum of Crime & Punishment. For the Bonnie & Clyde exhibit there is a nice one-- and now expanding.
    

Having done many historical talks on Bonnie & Clyde, my 3 days at The National Museum of Crime & Punishment provided a welcomed experience for me-- and one if possible, I plan to use as a model from now on.  Instead of more formal talks as I'm normally used to, the fine folks there set me up among the patrons at the bend coming off the Bonnie & Clyde exhibit.  Thus those interested in B&C would stop and talk with questions concerning the iconic outlaws.  This informal give and take was "wonderful"-- and seemingly enjoyed by all.

I did prolonged sessions on all 3 days, which thanks to those who stopped to inquire of the outlaws-- lasted well beyond the times scheduled.  I was able to discuss the ambush and other B&C topics of interest, such as a Bonnie Parker pregnancy and Bonnie & Clyde's role in the Depression Age.  In addition-- I had in front of me Bonnie's poem "The Saga of Bonnie and Desperate Clyde", Blanche's Christmas card with personal note and signature, Billie's manuscript "Bonnie, Clyde and Me"-- and correspondence sent to Blanche while imprisoned at Jefferson City.  These artifacts, will be available to view at the museum in the near future.  I was also able to recount remembrances from Billie's journal, as well as numerous points of contention to many with a keen interest in Bonnie & Clyde.  

As an aside-- it took me a few go-rounds, to realize why young people kept approaching me to ask how many people Bonnie killed??  It was then I realized that's a question from the museum's question and answer booklet, meant to be learned by studying the exhibits.  These questions also seemed a required assignment, for kids involved in school tours (of which there were many).  So I guess the kids figured the "Bonnie & Clyde guy" would know the answer.  Of course I did-- and unwittingly at 1st, and then sometimes willingly (shhh)-- helped where I could.  So I guess the test will be graded on a curve??

As I took hundreds of photos in Washington, I plan shortly to feature The National Museum of Crime & Punishment in a well deserved post here on The Bonnie & Clyde History Blog.  What a remarkable resource the Crime Museum is.  My thanks to Janine and Rachael for inviting me, and for doing everything possible to accommodate me so graciously concerning my visit.  My thanks also to the staff of The Holiday Inn White House/ Rhode Island Avenue NW, for a great stay-- as well as Amtrak for "as always"-- unparalleled service to & from home.

Also my thanks to FBI Historian John Fox for a great lunch.  "Finally", after all these years-- we had that lunch we've been wanting to have.  Now we just need to do it again.  BTW-- John surely agreed that J. Edgar (whom I have my arm around above)-- seems to have had a tough day.  But in reality-- Director Hoover would've never appeared so disheveled.  And my thanks as well to Lisa, for taking the iPad shot of me at the top of this post-- and being so kind in e-mailing that image to me.  Those things take great pictures.  Lisa was the only person I saw, among what had to be hundreds of people who passed through the museum over this memorable weekend-- to use an iPad to preserve her images.  I would think at some point-- that will change.  

After having Lucky Luciano staring over my shoulder for 3 days-- I lived to tell of the adventure.  In a slight foray into gangster history-- even though Luciano was deported from the U.S., when he died in Italy-- he was granted his wish to be buried in Queens, N.Y. under his given name Salvatore Lucania.  Please look for my post on The National Museum of Crime & Punishment (with many cool pics)-- coming soon.  

Talking Points for Washington

As my visit to Washington is fast approaching, I'm busy preparing topics for my talks at The National Museum of Crime & Punishment.  There will be 3 formal sessions (Thurs. through Sat.)-- along with as much time spent with Bonnie & Clyde aficionados at their Bonnie & Clyde Exhibit as time will allow.  Talking points will surely include the ambush, it's conflicting eyewitness accounts-- as well as rumors and espoused theories new & old.  And despite some people's wranglings-- to me no conversation regarding the ambush would now be complete, without addressing the rumored pregnancy of Bonnie Parker.  

Objectively, too many people in differing locations were aware of this possibility-- including Capt. Frank Hamer and Dallas Bureau of Investigation SAC Frank Blake, for smoke to not equal fire. Some more recent declarations concerning the ambush may be less than verifiable-- but that doesn't change the plausible possibility, that there may well have been "3" individuals killed at the ambush that day??  Some (especially from a lawman's viewpoint)-- have asked "What difference would it make, if Bonnie was pregnant when killed"??  My response has been-- from an historical perspective, it would make a great difference, as knowledge of such a reality in 1934 would've likely caused public condemnation of the law.  CYA has long been a shield used on both sides of the war between good & bad.  But even in '34-- the killing of a pregnant woman (and in such a remarkably brutal way)-- would've likely sparked outrage.   

For those still intent on protecting the lawman's position within the guise of "heroic reputation"-- or some who talk a good game, but play both sides of the fence concerning this issue-- my feeling is, it's time to "get real" and bring the past within better focus.  And for those who feel I'm not likely to say anything controversial, when given the opportunity to "kick start" a renewed effort toward truth within Bonnie & Clyde History-- now that doesn't sound like me does it??  This entire history is fraught with controversial assertions.  For me, the closer we come to "reality" as it actually existed for all involved-- the better.      

In addition to thought provoking topics, while in at The NMCP-- I have the unique opportunity  to discuss a variety of Bonnie & Clyde artifacts already on display and newly added.  These will include Bonnie's unfinished "working copy" of "The Story of Bonnie & Clyde"-- originally titled "The Saga of Bonnie and Desperate Clyde".  I'll be bringing this rare Bonnie poem for display and comment.  I'll also have with me, Billie's manuscript "Bonnie, Clyde and Me"-- which contains numerous great talking points, such as Bonnie & Clyde's suicide pact and near use of it at Dexfield Park.  Also Billie's accounts of Sowers and Bonnie's health post Wellington-- as well as Bonnie's premonition concerning the death of Billie's Son Buddy etc.  A grand resource (in addition to Billie's journal)-- for this history and for speaking of Bonnie & Clyde.  In addition of course, I'm always happy to discuss The Bonnie & Clyde Signatures-- and Steve Haas' wonderful Bonnie poem "The Street Girl".    

I'll also be bringing Blanche's Christmas card (seen in B&C documentaries)-- which she used to store her manuscript written while in prison.  Her original manuscript has now moved on to a new owner, but quite kindly-- the Christmas card came my way in 2010.  This card bears an ultra-rare Blanche Barrow signature, as well as a hand written reminder to herself-- concerning her recorded accounts with The Barrow Gang.  This large 8x10" 1930's Christmas card is quite colorful and a remarkable survivor of this history.  There will likely be other loans from my collection-- including correspondence to Blanche from prison, original photos of Blanche available no where else, and perhaps even Blanche's heart shaped locket with photo of husband Eddie Frasure-- one would think worn proudly by Blanche, during his service in the Navy during WWII.  

Anyway-- never a shortage of Bonnie & Clyde topics to touch on in Washington, in addition to whatever Bonnie & Clyde stories others wish to discuss.  I always come prepared with revelations from The B&CHB & Dallas FBI Files, for those wishing to discuss say Wellington or Bailey Tynes etc.  "And"-- I even carry a myriad of B&CHB Poll questions, for some challenging fun.  I hope you'll join me there.  It seems I'll be able to provide an addition link from the Museum, prior to Thursday.  Questions??-- please drop me an e-mail.        

As May Approaches-- So Do Thoughts of Bonnie & Clyde

If you've ever visited the Bonnie & Clyde ambush site at this time of year, besides the sweltering Spring heat-- the 1st thing likely to jump out at you, is how little that area of Bienville Parish, Louisiana has changed since 1934.  In viewing local demographics over time-- if anything, that rural scene is less populated now with less viable financial opportunity than existed years ago.  

Indeed photos of Gibsland in the 1940's showed a bustling industrial area-- however now, it's industry is unfortunately long gone.  And that desolate road leading out of town (now called Louisiana Route 154)-- somehow seems just as quaintly situated as it did when Bonnie & Clyde made their fateful trip through the whispering Pines.  Oh-- the trees were surely more dense then, and that gravel covered road likely kicked up dust with each turn of the tires-- but none the less, to this day-- that's still a conspicuously lonely trip out of town.

And as you near the ambush site-- somehow it's hard not to project yourself back in time, and attempt in vain to warn Clyde & Bonnie of their impending doom.  But just as in a dream, where you're sometimes powerless to affect any difference-- when you take that final turn and view the ambush site in the distance (just as you know Bonnie & Clyde did that fateful day)-- there's no changing history.  Alas, for those intensely hunted lovers responsible for so many deaths-- the end was swift and sure.  But in stopping upon that hill and exiting your car-- for you, the adventure in sharing that hallowed ground with those you know both stood there victoriously and also died such a horrible death-- will stay with you forever.  To experience that location in person-- I surely recommend as a priority for every Bonnie & Clyde aficionado, so wonderfully and uncontrollably hooked on this history.

For reference, these photos taken by me a few years ago-- show a couple of key views of the ambush location.  The 1st pic shows the view from the ambush site, back upon the famous final curve Bonnie & Clyde traveled in approaching their demise.   If all was as reported??-- the Methvin truck would've been located in the Southbound lane (to the left)-- and The Barrow car (when the bullets started flying)-- would've stood in the Northbound (right hand) lane facing the camera.  Although the road's been altered a bit over time-- this pic was taken quite close to ground zero.  

Pic 2 is just about the closest you can position yourself today, as if within the posse laying in the weeds-- in viewing the oncoming approach route.  Unfortunately, the actual spot from '34 within the blind-- has now been removed and replaced by a Conoco gas pipeline road.  My position for this photo was as close to that spot as possible now.  Also note, it's obvious from photos at the time-- that the surrounding Pine Forest and undergrowth were uniquely thick, and not nearly as sparse as is the reality today.                 

Museum of Crime & Punishment Announcement

For those interested, I am including here, a link from The NMCP Website.  If  you can, please join me in Washington D.C. to commemorate the 78th anniversary of the ambush of Bonnie & Clyde.  It's indeed an honor, to participate in this event at The National Museum of Crime & Punishment.  I look forward to talking Bonnie & Clyde, with old & new friends alike.  Click on the Crime Museum announcement, for a larger view.

  

Join Me, at The National Museum of Crime & Punishment for the Bonnie & Clyde Ambush Anniversary

For those who've been so kind in communicating with me re: Bonnie & Clyde History-- and expressed a desire to meet, a heads up. This year I'll be commemorating the anniversary of the Bonnie & Clyde ambush at The National Museum of Crime & Punishment in Washington, D.C. I'll be there May 17th through the 19th to greet guests to their Bonnie & Clyde exhibit, and discuss the ambush-- along with any and all things Bonnie & Clyde.

Having made Bonnie & Clyde presentations twice for the ambush anniversary in Gibsland, as well as Historical talks in Dallas and other locales over the years-- I feel honored to be invited to The NMCP for this year's commemoration. In speaking to Jim Knight concerning his participation in this event a few years back-- I couldn't be happier to take in this stellar museum, and interact with those in Washington who possess a keen interest in Bonnie & Clyde History.

It will also be my 1st opportunity to see my Bonnie & Clyde dual signatures, as displayed at the museum for many years now. Another heads up for those interested in viewing additional Bonnie & Clyde artifacts. I'll be bringing with me Bonnie's working draft of The Story of Bonnie & Clyde, called The Saga of Bonnie and Desperate Clyde-- which I revealed here on the blog a ways back. I obtained this Bonnie poem from The Estate of Blanche Barrow Frasure. It's a "wonderful" poem to view, as it differs from it's later finished version in some most unusual ways. I'll be loaning it to the museum for all to view and enjoy.

There are also talks in the works re: other Bonnie & Clyde artifacts, which may be provided to the museum. And if all goes well, there's a good chance a "remarkable" artifact from the Bonnie & Clyde Death Car may also be added there-- possibly by the time that weekend rolls around. To my knowledge-- this will be the 1st public viewing of this particular artifact since 2001, owned by another Bonnie & Clyde Historian.

So please keep an eye out here, for more details regarding the May dates-- and for all who can visit Washington while I'm there, it would be a distinct pleasure to say hi to you in person. Please shoot me an e-mail, if you think you may attend.

Now a Jeff Guinn Bonnie & Clyde Movie?? Say It Ain't So!!

It seems I've got some catching up to do. I was alerted to the possibility of a new Bonnie & Clyde movie based on Jeff Guinn's dubious "author for hire" book Go Down Together-- The True Story of Bonnie & Clyde. In light of Director Tonya Holly's long standing labor of love, in working so diligently to bring an historically accurate account of this history to the big screen-- the news of a parallel effort by Jeff Guinn, to me-- falls somewhere within the spectrum of downright disturbing and outright outlandish.

As I've offered my opinion concerning Guinn's historically lacking and shoddily researched book on numerous occasions-- my pointed reaction to a "Go Down Together" based Bonnie & Clyde movie, should come as no surprise. The man who's forever labeled Bonnie Parker a prostitute and portrays the ambush of Bonnie and Clyde based on unfounded speculation-- is apparently trying to cash in on his 1/2 baked effort in a big way.

In understanding how Jeff seemingly used those he should have felt privileged to have even known-- rest assured, bringing a Bonnie Parker prostitute contention to the Silver Screen, will likely draw the sharp ire of Bonnie & Clyde family members-- and assuredly, those of us who strive to bring truth to Bonnie & Clyde History.

Perhaps this time, Jeff's "shameless" esscuse will be the same as before-- in his telling me straight faced "All written history is ultimately best guess". Well if that's true Jeff-- don't be surprised when many band together to level just criticism, and support actions deemed appropriate by those defending their own-- as well as Bonnie & History. The "real" Bonnie & Clyde History-- and not one as told by Santa's little helper.

Bonnie & Clyde's Death Car-- Still As Poignant As Ever

With "thanks" to good friend of the blog Joseph Rumeo, who hails from the great Canadian north-- recent Bonnie & Clyde Death Car pics, taken by him at Primm, Nevada.

Note the shots from Clyde's side, which after passing through both Bonnie and Clyde-- could only dent the strong steel of the car's exterior on Bonnie's side.

Also note a good close-up of the few shots fired by Dallas Deputy Bob Alcorn, which hit Bonnie's passenger side above the door. So too, of shots fired from the rear by Deputy Hinton-- which entered through the rear window and could have been responsible for severing Bonnie's spine.

Of additional interest, is a fresh photo of Clyde's blue Western style shirt-- as worn the day of the ambush. Black and white images tend to mute the realism and human dynamic associated with Bonnie & Clyde.

But just as color photos of Depression Age America so fortunately exist-- this color image reminds us, that Bonnie and Clyde as well as their victims-- did perish in living color.

The magnitude of carnage levied upon Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow that fateful day in May of '34 is always evident-- when viewing the bullet riddled death car. Movies are one thing-- but reality is quite another.

Like Shooting Stars-- More Bonnie & Clyde Wannabes Gain Their 2 Minutes of Fame

Well these are certainly not your grandparent's Bonnie & Clyde days anymore. In possessing technology today which Bonnie & Clyde would marvel at-- law enforcement always seems to have the tools and resources needed-- to get the jump on and quickly hunt down criminals who make a big splash. Just as other recent outlaws who the media has ceremoniously & inaccurately ascended to the level of Bonnie & Clyde-- The Dougherty Gang-- Lee, Ryan and Dylan didn't last long on the run. Hell, it seems they were just witnessed buying their tent-- & barely had time to put the sticks up.

Bonnie & Clyde History is so much more profound than just the antics, crimes & passion of a love swooned pair-- most often viewed in polarizing terms, as either callous hardened killers or unfortunate characters of fate. Their history is "our" history-- as The Great Depression affected all, regardless of circumstance. Those remarkably tough times, manifested true hardship, heartache, legitimate desperation and class struggle.

Compare that to this trio of troubled kids, where the threat of one having to register as a sex offender-- was thought would hamper his ability to see his yet unborn child. That could well be true-- but I'm not sure modern problems of personal inconvenience such as this, measure up to the unmatched challenges and struggles a brave '30's populous had to endure.

Although the overall crime rate reportedly dropped during the Depression-- robbery based murder and domestic violence surged, as frustrations were stretched to the breaking point within many. Desperate times can lead to desperate measures, among those where hope flickers like a candle in the wind. I seem to do one of these posts, every time now Bonnie & Clyde are mentioned in comparison to whichever modern day misfits are on the run. I'm sure it won't be long, until this recurring historical inequity is exercised once again by the media-- in order to prompt a reminder, of what truly tough times & iconic criminals were really like.

When It Rains It Pours-- Bonnie & Clyde Movies That is

With thanks to Russ-- an interesting new development on the Bonnie & Clyde movie front.

http://www.avclub.com/articles/newer-grittier-version-of-bonnie-and-clyde-on-the%2C59500/

However, the source book for this newly reported Burger and Sheldon effort is less than impressive-- at least to me. It looks like I'll need to re-sharpen the skewers once again, for yet another round of Jeff Guinn "historical" comment concerning this newly proposed film. According to this media account, should this additional Bonnie & Clyde movie be made-- it will key on the hype and sensationalism Jeff Guinn brought to bear (without historical basis)-- which seemed aimed at spurring on his book sales. It appears this portrayal, will include a telling of Bonnie's alleged foray into the world of Prostitution-- a claim Guinn has espoused, but can't back with any credibility. To view the damage Guinn has inflicted on Bonnie's reputation-- one only needs to Google the phrase Bonnie Parker Prostitute, to reveal how Guinn's handy work has maligned her.

Whether it be within the realms of politics or film-- as the truth doesn't seem important anymore, it appears this new Bonnie & Clyde movie will look to capitalize on today's successful formula-- of separating people from their $$ via the sensational. My take is-- the "true" story of Bonnie & Clyde if told correctly, is more interesting and poignant than any film portrayal to date. Based on Tonya Holly's passion and dedication to the truth concerning Bonnie & Clyde, it's my belief-- her portrayal will become the standard by which other are judged.

I've been in touch with Tonya, who says she's aware of this alternative Bonnie & Clyde movie effort. Last I've heard, Tonya's moving ahead with The Story of Bonnie & Clyde regardless of likened competitors. I as many-- feel Tonya will provide the saga of Bonnie & Clyde the historical truth these iconic outlaws deserve. I have no such illusion, concerning any effort which relies on Guinn's fantasy-laced interpretation of Bonnie & Clyde. Guinn, who's a "hired gun" contract writer anyway-- has moved on to topics unrelated to the history of Bonnie & Clyde, thus proving his lack of sustained interest in this history. In hearing of his association with this latest Bonnie & Clyde movie effort-- I can't say I'm disappointed.

A Bonnie & Clyde History Blog Editorial-- Same 'Ol Shit/ Different Day

As it seems some just can't control themselves & also speak with forked tongue, it's time again although it be unfortunate-- for an editorial re: the behavior of some within this history. This will be short and sweet-- at least for me, as I don't have time for moronic nonsense. For those who believe in Tom Methvin and his followers/the self proclaimed Bonnie & Clyde "Elite"-- go there/stay there and stay away from here. I will not have my daughter insulted as she was previously, the memory of my "wonderful" and deceased granddaughter dragged through the dirt-- and myself threatened repeatedly by a classless cad and liar-- who works tirelessly at manipulating others, to follow him off the cliff of indecency-- while spewing the lowest form of septic insult.

All I can do is document the threats-- and let he who does a fine job of coming apart at the seams, continue to do so if that's his desire. Rant after rant/year after year/forum after forum/topic after topic/attempt at ruined reputation after attempt at ruined reputation-- should signal to some what reality is. But if those around him still feel comfortable in supporting that kind of crudity and inhumanity, good luck to you-- for your forums repeatedly revert to only being platforms for hate filled vitriol. Unfortunately as such, these forums are often focused on manipulation and spin rather than history. Inciting hatred is bad enough-- but to me being heartless and dishonest, is a far more telling measure of a person's true identity.

Nothing surrounding this history, should be about selfishness, hatred or retribution-- as having the unique opportunity to study a history so steeped in passion and human dynamics, is indeed an honorable and fulfilling pastime. Useless and self imposed drama-- are not.

Dirty tricksters are an old breed, but never supported by the truth. Dates can be changed, threads altered and spin created to influence those easily fooled. But you see, my granddaughter didn't just up and die-- so the end date of cruel comments even though now changed, is irrelevant. My family was going through turmoil concerning Leila's being ill-- at the same time that a multitude of crass comments were being made. Some might say "we didn't know"-- to which I would reply, "as you don't always know what's going on in people's lives-- you shouldn't have been saying those things to begin with". And concerning insincere condolences-- the indisputable truth is, rude comments were made-- then those same individuals tried to backtrack, and seem sincere in expressing sorrow.

It's funny how hatred and sorrow don't mix. As such, even Tom's cleverly crafted 2 word note of condolence "Very sad"-- was picked out by some within our families, who asked "who is that idiot?" It seems even for those who didn't know anything about him-- in viewing just 2 words of "supposed" sympathy, they had him pegged correctly. Insincerity you see-- is not easily disguised.

Unlike some who will spend countless hours harping on this, and posting rant after rant to waste time and space on their forums-- that won't be the case here. Unfortunately from time to time, I need to respond to another round of this Bonnie & Clyde elitist bullshit. I've sent 1 e-mail in response to many, and hopefully just this opinion will suffice-- in combating a number of newly posted comments elsewhere. Thus, we can hopefully now move on to more important historical matters. As always in these instances-- my apologies for needing to take time for this kind of distraction.

Honorable men, are never dirty tricksters or liars-- and honorable men in the end will prevail. I take pride in having The Bonnie & Clyde History Blog be objective, fair and polite. So even within these comments which by all rights could be much more scathing-- I choose couth over crudity, and honor over disgrace.

Update-- I've now read Tom's latest rant-- a rambling repetitive attempt at saving face I suppose. For the record, having lost quite a bit of weight, I'm in pretty good shape now-- better than in years. And what was that you said in your e-mail about having proof Bonnie was pregnant?? All this time you've made people think I'm wrong about that, and that I've wanted to hurt others in my quest for the truth. Now what was that about Coushatta?!? Prescriptions and Doctor's notes-- "oh my". I wonder if JR knows you send threatening e-mails exposing your research, and holding it over my head as if I care. And is 2022 now the release date for the book??

I know what I feel is true re: a Bonnie Parker pregnancy-- and all this time you've agreed, but made others question my motives?? and investigation. Now at some point, you're going to reveal what you know in support of a Bonnie pregnancy?!? So what was the point of ostracizing me in the minds of others, over something in truth you agree with?? That's a fair question for all to ponder, isn't it?? Hypocrite is as hypocrite does. And where does a pregnant Bonnie fit in with Gordon Baker's book?? He may not have proof, but may not be that far off either. Worth trying to ruin his reputation, or just an attempt to reduce a competitor by one?? So what did happen at the ambush, which was so secretive?? What was the info from a witness to that carnage/never publicly revealed?? I might suggest we try and get along about now. This really seems all about hate-- and I'm not into hate.

"Love is the answer and you know that for sure"
-- John Lennon

And what's that about obsession TM-- as between you and your right hand girl Jan, you sometimes visit here close to 20 times a day. Thanks for the support-- but I don't care at all to look at what you're doing. Just 12 visits on Thursday-- perhaps a little light, but there's always tomorrow.

In Honor of Leila

I haven't posted a photo of my granddaughter Leila until now-- something I've wanted to do for all who had expressed kind thoughts upon her passing. It's a shame at the time, some were wrapped up in trying to destroy the reputation of Gordon Baker and also in taking callous shots at me at a most inopportune moment-- while my family was in the midst of heartbreak.

I've now had the chance to read through the B&C History Discussion forum, which I imagine some might prefer I wouldn't have found. My advantage in having seen this now, is to better understand who among the self proclaimed Bonnie & Clyde "Community" are sincerely passionate about their cause (as there are some good folks there)-- vs those who just seem to be insurmountably vulgar individuals. I have noted those who went out of their way to make cruel remarks, while at the same time appearing concerned about my family and myself during a period of immense personal tragedy. Although I didn't know it then, a number of what appeared to be sincere condolences re: my granddaughter's passing-- obviously were backed by less than true feelings.

So for those who are interested, and in her honor-- this was Leila. And to those who were nice enough to exercise restraint and decorum within that forum of grand disrespect-- my sincere "thanks" and appreciation. Also to those loyal to The B&CHB, whom I know expressed genuine and heartfelt concern for my daughter, my family and myself-- I again offer my most grateful thanks. I'll always remember your wonderful kindness. However for those whose false words and actions deserve no accolades-- please note my feeling that this wonderful little girl-- was a far better person in just one year of life, than you'll likely be in all your days. To treat people as you do just because you feel like it, I'm sure is not what you would want others to do unto you.

Maybe we're a little more even now. Oh and for those who've expressed "glee"-- in thinking you've made a difference in having brought down Gordon Baker and his book, I don't see it that way. Those who cast stones, but yet have or support what many might consider marginal theories-- and without evidence to back their cause-- really should think twice before criticizing others. Fools and their followers it seems, serve little purpose-- except to entertain their own twisted sense of hatred. I can think of fewer things more useless.

It's interesting how some people's hidden truths are exposed when the chips are down, while others remain true to the self always seen. Hey-- What goes around, comes around. And as a friend of mine recently posted-- "Pay no mind to those who talk behind your back, it simply means that you are two steps ahead".