Tonya Holly's Bonnie & Clyde Movie Dosen't See The Light of Day.. But A Movie Based On "Go Down Together" Might?? "Oh The Injustice"!!

 

A post to say this..  With thanks to ib12541 who made me aware of this link..  http://deadline.com/2011/07/limitless-helmer-neil-burger-aboard-new-version-of-bonnie-and-clyde-outlaw-tale-149823/ 

For years Tonya Holly (bless her)-- has strived to make a Bonnie & Clyde movie based on true history.. a history much more interesting than adaptations Hollywood and others have told.  However the stark and sobering realities of funding and intellectual property control (things surely more related to egos and $$, rather than history)-- have prevented what has been a most noble cause from becoming "the" Bonnie & Clyde movie.   

Then a "hired gun" writer, who's written on a variety of seemingly unrelated topics.. everything from The Dallas Cowboys to Santa Claus/ 3 books on Santa including an autobiography??.. ("Yeah man")-- who then "moved on" from B&C History, for another quick jaunt at The OK Coral-- and backed by a major-league publisher in supporting one of their stable riders-- puts out a book causing a sensation, although a sensation largely self-promoted. 

A book from an historical perspective which leaves much to be desired.. "and" authored by a man who apparently believes (although conveniently when scrutinized)-- in telling me so famously now, that "All written history is ultimately best guess, and clearly you and I have guessed differently in some instances".  Man.. that still doesn't work, I'm sorry-- and surely leaves "lot's 'o room" for supposition and sensational "creativity" without any need for historical diligence-- yes it does.  In effect, an all encompassing statement of protection-- which allows for limitless falsities to equal truth.     

"Go Down Together" contains a millisecond by millisecond account of the ambush fueled by a report lacking expertise.  A vengeful Hamer assassination of an already dead Bonnie, from the right side of the car without objective evidence of such.  Bonnie being a prostitute/ as she surely couldn't have lived so well?? on just her toil as a waitress-- and with this claim based on writings non-verified with provenance "absolutely" false.  I can still recall as if yesterday, Jonathan Davis running into me in Gibsland-- and before I could get the words out of my mouth, his saying "I know what you're going to ask.. and no, those poems didn't come from Marie". I believe I said to Jonathan in return.. "I know.. thank you". 

Then there's the famous Bonnie & Clyde photo attributed within "Go Down Together".. to a citizen amateur photographer who it's said was Squirrel hunting with his dog, and happened upon Bonnie & Clyde in the woods in Mangham, Louisiana.  Funny.. others apparently interviewed Mr. Brunson without Mr. Brunson relating that story.  Anyway-- this story is quoted in "Go Down Together" as follows..

"After Clyde took a picture of the boy with Bonnie:  Brunson told me "thirty years later or more I got a letter.. and the negatives of those two pictures were in the letter.  I did away with them and the letter.  I didn't want to be involved with the Barrow Gang no way.  I figure after the ambush, (Bonnie's) family was giving away her personal things and they was stuck in a box in the attic or something for years.  Then somebody looked in the box, saw the camera had film in it, and got that film developed.  They saw my address and sent the negatives.  I guess I should have kept them". 

Yes, RIP Mr. Brunson, you should have.. for as I figure it-- that story lacks both an element of common sense, and bucks what we know as the outcome for Bonnie's belongings.  Why would a camera with film have been returned to the families from the death car??  How would the families know Mr. Brunson's name or where he lived??  You mean Bonnie & Clyde left a note along with the camera and film, saying please send pics to Robert Brunson after our deaths.. he can be reached at this address.  And BTW-- we know now through a family account, that Bonnie's things were destroyed by Aunt Pat Plummer apparently in retaliation for a tiff with Billie Parker, who had entrusted Pat to keep them safe. 

"And".. it's surely a good thing-- someone printed copies of the "picnic" photo from the negative, prior to Mr. Brunson having a change of heart and doing away with those negatives.  But you know, that other negative (the one with Mr. Brunson and Bonnie)-- would've proven his story.  It is remarkable-- how many with Bonnie & Clyde stories, cannot produce proof they say they once had.  A 7th man at the ambush who filmed it all.. Bonnie & Clyde tortured and killed elsewhere-- only to be placed in the death car and shot up for the reward money.  So why would an ambush need to be staged for reward $$??  Right.. and with proof as within other examples, miraculously unavailable when needed-- or with closely-held but dubious knowledge, offered only for some sort of twisted historical ransom.
  
For that tortured Bonnie & Clyde info-- I was asked to sign a lawyer's release and agree to agree with everything said, before being told of secrets already revealed??@$^%!??  Of course I refused.  Then came the desperate play, usually heard in more human dramas.. "well if I can't have things my way and without criticism, I'll just destroy the evidence so no one will ever know".  My response was "OK.. you win"-- and "If you really have something of value concerning this history, you should share it willingly-- for the benefit all who care about this history".  But it seems, some feel they're going to get rich on Bonnie & Clyde History if they play their cards right.  You mean like with "Go Down Together"??  Did I say that??  Folks.. regarding certain stories related about this history and some who market them-- I swear this stuff is true.          

Did Robert Brunson take this famous Bonnie & Clyde photo in the woods of Louisiana??  The Jury's still out on this one. 

So getting back to Mr. Brunson and his story-- now on a site concerning Mr. Brunson, it can be read.. "believed to have been the last person to visit with the famous bank robbers, Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow. He accidentally met them near his boyhood home while squirrel hunting. His dog bayed them at their hideout in the woods. Robert met and talked with them for approximately twenty minutes on May 21, 1934. Mr. Brunson has been interviewed by two book authors- Paul Schneider of Flordia and Jeff Guinn of Fort Worth, Texas".

"Yep"-- the affect of conscientious reporting.. by an author with seemingly extraordinary talents at taking a story related, and without additional research noted-- weaving such story into the gospel according to "Go Down Together".  Want additional proof of this book's value to Bonnie & Clyde History??.. just Google Bonnie Parker, prostitute.

With that said.. from my viewpoint-- a movie based on "Go Down Together" with all it represents and doesn't represent-- well, that just doesn't seem right for this history.  Truth we need.. fodder we don't.  Time for another reminder of just how much Jeff Guinn has done for this history, from his 'ol pal on The B&CHB??  He has done something for this history.. right??

                    

Concerning Supposed Bonnie & Clyde Artifacts.. Can Cool Provenance Be Trumped By An Even Greater Reality??

Screen shot of Byram Dollar signatures as posted on Facebook.

Sometimes, in defending Bonnie & Clyde History and also in caring about people and families.. one can end up "between a rock and a hard place"-- a place I seemingly find myself now.  So how do you defend the integrity of this history-- and not throw cold water on a family story passed down through generations??  I'm not sure-- but I'll give it the 'ol college try.  And I know one thing-- unlike some Bonnie & Clyde Cliquey groups of mutual admirer, hate whomever the enemy is this week types-- I will not shy away from controversy, in choosing to publish uncommon opinions, stories and otherwise off the beaten path possibilities for this history.  As such, "status quo be damned"-- and on with this post.          

For purposes here today-- I'll call these the Byram Dollar Bonnie & Clyde Signatures after Andrea and Tony Byram, who own the Silver Certificate pictured above.  But are these signatures revealed on the Net recently the real McCoys?? "Ah".. that is the question.  I get many calls and e-mails each year, concerning helping authenticate Bonnie & Clyde signatures thought genuine.  Why??  I would think, because the pair of Bonnie & Clyde signatures I own, have been painstakingly scrutinized and authenticated to the highest standards practicable-- short of positively having watched Bonnie & Clyde sign their names.  Thus-- many find my knowledge of this subject useful to their cause.

And without the need to re-print an already well-documented record of my authentication, methodology, experts etc-- a link will suffice.  So for those interested in learning of the complete quest (up to now)-- to authenticate my pair of Bonnie & Clyde signatures.. link is here--  

http://texashideout.tripod.com/signatures.html

 

So when Bonnie & or Clyde signatures pop up.. and I don't mean bogus ones found at memorabilia signature mills without provenance, signed on the torn fly leaves of olden books, and "authenticated" by known "Hey that signature looks good"/ certify anything for a price, self-aggrandizing experts-- I'll often do what I can to help.

Screen shot of Byram authenticator's report as posted on Facebook.

Also without a long to do re: the current war 'o words and tactics of the Bonnie & Clyde periphery-- who's best attribute for this history it seems, is their vociferous knack to be rude and incendiary-- here are my thoughts concerning these signatures.

It Always Seems To Come Down To Bonnie's Signature.

Genuine Clyde Barrow signatures although quite rare, have more examples to view than Bonnie's-- with many Clyde signatures appearing on official law enforcement records.  However concerning real Bonnie signatures-- there are but few authentic Bonnie expressions of her name to behold.  One set, with for some unknown reason-- a "number" of Bonnie signatures present-- appear on "The Street Girl".. an unpublished Bonnie poem owned by master collector and lifetime Bonnie & Clyde aficionado Steve Haas.  This poem has iron-clad provenance, as a Parker family-held treasure-- having been in Billie Parker Moon's possession at the time of her passing. 

And to give proper prudence to thinking outside the box re: "The Street Girl" signatures-- some might wonder whether Billie herself may have toyed with writing her beloved sister's name on the poem she possessed??  A novel idea-- however those who have samples of Billie's handwriting including myself, know that quite unusually.. although right handed-- Billie wrote with a backwards slant as if left handed.  Not the case with the Bonnie signatures evident there.    

"The Street Girl" Bonnie signatures.

Interestingly-- both the Bonnie signatures visible on "The Street Girl" and on my dual Bonnie & Clyde signatures-- appeared publicly for the 1st time I believe within the same year (2006).  Prior to that, Bonnie & Clyde Historian Jimmy Ray Gillman had preserved an Ebay image of a pair of Bonnie & Clyde signatures.. signed to Don Wills on a Mitchell & Hale Pharmacy item of some sort.  That Pharmacy was noted to have been located in McKinney, Texas.  So as far as Bonnie signatures thought authentic, with the same characteristics as the beyond reproach family example-- until others surface which can stand up to the spotlight of scrutiny.. "that seems to be it"

Barrow Star Filling Station Bonnie & Clyde Signatures-- signatures I've been proud to own since 2006.

The Bonnie Parker Missouri Highway Patrol Fingerprint Card-- The "Wild Card" In All This.

Then there's a Bonnie signature, which appears on a mysterious fingerprint card never authenticated.  The story on this rumored fingerprint record goes as follows..  Bonnie's prints and signature were said obtained when Bonnie was jailed in Kemp, Texas.  However, many including current lawmen are quick to point out-- that unlike a legitimate fingerprint record.. this supposed fingerprint card, contains none of the usual Police identifiers which should be present.  It is in effect "a blank" but with faint prints visible and a signature.

Bonnie Parker Missouri Highway Patrol Fingerprint Card.

And just how did whatever this card is  get to Missouri, if indeed prints were taken in Texas??  Good question.  Supposedly,  Ed Portley Chief of Detectives in Joplin requested it-- as part of his investigation into the Joplin Apartment shootings.  However-- no record of this request or copy of the card, appear within the current inventory of Joplin Bonnie & Clyde files.  But rather, as close to an original as exists-- can be found in of all places The Missouri Highway Patrol Museum.  As part of my signatures investigation-- I was able to convince the kind folks there, to remove the Missouri fingerprint cards of both Bonnie & Clyde from their display case and scan them for me.  Yes, there's a fingerprint card there for Clyde too-- although Clyde was never arrested in Missouri.  Go figure.   

Anyway-- that Bonnie signature (the Bonnie Highway Patrol signature)-- a signature surely different from ones derived from a family source deemed most authentic.. "that" Bonnie signature with the block capital letters-- is apparently the signature most forgers prefer.. even though there are verifiable and authentic Bonnie signatures to view.. (again, go figure).  And the problem I have with the Byram signatures in part-- is their Bonnie signature, seemingly resembles the Highway Patrol signature.. a signature believed non-authentic. 

J. Edgar Hoover personally spearheaded a search for the Kemp Bonnie signature card in 1934 within Kaufman County-- and also within his Bureau of Investigation, where a copy was said to have been sent.  But Hoover's search was to no avail-- causing him to comment that apparently, this Bonnie Parker fingerprint card does not exist within legal channels.  So even though a lawman said involved in dealing with an incarcerated Bonnie, stated he took Bonnie's prints-- without any record being found fresh in '34 or when I and I'm sure others have searched for it as well-- that declaration by the Texas lawman, could've been a case of CYA.

One more point re: the Highway Patrol signature.  I've considered the possibility-- that if the Kemp fingerprint card was a true record although shoddily made, which somehow slipped though the cracks-- that Bonnie may have shrewdly signed her name falsely to snooker the law.  However with someone like Hoover with his power and reach, personally directing a search for this record and not finding it.. it seems that fact documented withing the Dallas FBI files speaks for itself.  Plus then-- when asked for her signature by an admirer as the story goes here.. why wouldn't Bonnie give her true signature-- as she had in at least 2 other instances known.  I surely wish we had Bonnie here to ask about this.    
            

Mitchell & Hale Pharmacy signatures.  To my knowledge, no one knows the whereabouts of these Bonnie & Clyde signatures.  I for one.. believe these signatures to be authentic. 

Then, there's a matter of "authenticators".  

Concerning the authentication of my signatures-- I went to great lengths to choose experts with both stellar and untarnished reputations.  Thus I chose handwriting expert Emily J. Will, fresh from her famous debunking of the George W. Bush National Guard Papers. 

The McCrone Group of Chicago-- chosen by world experts, to analyze The Shroud of Turin and who authenticated The Lost Gospel of Judas.. they performed the Microscopy-- with my expert having been among the leaders of the Lost Gospel of Judas investigation.  Joe Barabe is also an expert in ferreting out forgeries. He performed chemical ink analysis, which identified all the components of the ink in dating the ink to the correct time period-- was able to identify 2 distinct and different depths of impressions made by 2 different nib widths from 2 different fountain pens concerning my signatures when signed.  And yes-- Clyde's pressure in signing was greater than Bonnie's. 

And I must say a decided chill went through me-- when I learned only when standing in the McCrone building.. that Mr. Barabe would begin with the assumption of forgery, and work toward proving legitimacy should that be the case.  Just the opposite of what I'd anticipated.  A tough and uncompromising group there-- surely not easy on the nerves.            

I also had the benefit of 6 antique business machine specialists, who identified the paper my signatures are written on and rare source of it-- along with The Smithsonian in searching for a like piece of Comptometer or antique columned cash register receipt tape (consistent with use in a gas station, such as the Barrow filling station).   

I even had the advantage of a Barrow family admission not previously known-- concerning why Clyde would've tagged his name as he did within my signatures, by signing Dallas, Texas below his name.  A trait those who knew him within his lifetime understood-- and was revealed to me as to why Clyde sometimes chose to sign like that, but not always.  So a "cherry-studded" detail no forger would know-- along with meticulous handwriting analysis and forensic testing, which all-in--all-- formed a composite strength of authentication.  Even as such-- Bonnie's signature is "so" very rare, Ms. Will being as tough as she is professionally, had difficulty in certifying Bonnie's signature with the assurance of Clyde's.  But in being so convinced by Clyde's script-- logically Bonnie's script would need to follow with Clyde's deemed so strong.

Fake Bonnie & Clyde signatures sold through a memorabilia outlet, using the Bonnie Highway Patrol signature as exemplar.

By contrast, the Byrams used but one authenticator-- where an easy search of the Web, revealing some interesting and potentially troubling reports-- which would surely give me pause.  Apparently some have reason to question this gentleman's pedigree as a document examiner.  Are these accusations true??  Don't know-- and I can't speak for some.. however just the fact negativity can be found-- would be troubling to me in attempting to verify signatures as rare as Bonnie & Clyde's. 

It was further pointed out to me in defense of the Byram signatures-- that not everyone signs their name the same way every time.  To some degree that may be true-- but for Bonnie to change from a most artistic "and verifiable" capital letter expression to that of plain caps which "do not" ("they don't")-- match known and accepted Bonnie examples, flies in the face of logic to me.

Maybe Bonnie was having a bad day, or was upset over something to the point of just saying "Screw it-- I'll just sign like this today"??  I won't say it couldn't have been that way, as I am one to allow for unique possibilities within this history-- but is that likely, in having other reliable samples which have consistent characteristics to work with??  I'm not sure one could make that case.  With it's block caps.. the Byram Bonnie signature looks similar to the Bonnie Highway Patrol signature.. so often used by forgers on inexpensively sold signatures, without snowball's chance in hell of being real.  For me.. a very large concern.

Quite suspect copies patterned from my signatures.  Rather than a mishmosh of Bonnie & Clyde signatures.. someone it seems, finally had the guts to try a forgery using good examples. Now what's the provenance on this??  And nice purple paper.  Now let's test that ink.  Olden ink is considerably different in composition, than inks mass produced short years later.  Plus when signatures like this are offered for just a few hundred bucks-- "buyer beware".. for real ones could be offered at Sotheby's for $$ it would take to put down on a house.  So why don't some memorabilia outlets offer "rare" signatures through quality auction houses to maximize their money??  They can't.      

But can provenance overrule logic??

Maybe-- but the provenance better be good.. and in the Byram case it seems good.  The Byram story goes that Mr. Byram's Grandmother owned a restaurant in Bowling Green, Missouri in the late '20's and early '30's.  It's said Bonnie & Clyde ate there, and signed the $1 silver Certificate which was given to the cook.. with the bill subsequently kept until 1971, when it was given to Mr. Byram.  Could Bonnie & Clyde have visited Bowling Green, Missouri??  Of course.  But can a story handed down over time, stand up to a signature which both doesn't match accepted examples-- "and" which resembles a signature, thought with a high degree of probability to be both non-authentic and non-verifiable?? 

Another point to consider here-- is I'm not sure many accounts exist of The Barrow Gang having sat down to eat in places, where they couldn't control their surroundings.  There are stories however, of them taking food to go.  A small detail I know.. but could be important here.  Perhaps the Byrams meant Bonnie & Clyde stopped by briefly to take their food to go??  I'm not sure it can be reliably proven-- that Bonnie & Clyde who were wanted for kidnapping and murder, would pull up a chair and enjoy a meal, within the confines of 4 walls with others present as you or I would.  What if the Sheriff and his Deputy happened by??  Many as well as themselves, could've been killed within a friendly meal gone wrong.            

Another Bonnie & Clyde fake.  I just love when photos of forgeries offered for sale, are out of focus.  Makes seeing what they are, that much clearer.  

Seems to me, the battleground here-- involves family provenance passed down as word of mouth, vs a Bonnie signature which within that provenance "should" match the best examples known.. but doesn't.  Could a more thorough forensic examination be performed to make a difference??  Yes it could, and I would encourage such for the benefit of all.  Would make for a stronger case, which should be the goal-- provided one can get past Bonnie's capital letters issue, in being contrary to an example held by the Parker family-- which does match 2 other examples with good backing. 

It is surely not my intention to be impolite to either the Byrams or their authenticator.  So am I doubting the Byram's family story as provenance for their signatures??.. I am trying my best not to, but this is where this challenge gets tough for me.  I am a people and family person-- and as such, would also defend a story passed down to me by loved ones I trust.. wouldn't you??  As such, I would welcome any alternative solution for this one.  It seems when authenticating signatures "so" very rare.. the extra mile needs to be traveled with focused diligence employed-- and to my way of thinking, that hasn't been the case here. 

So many have stories of having interacted with Bonnie & Clyde during their reign of terror.  And even police records have Bonnie & Clyde sightings in seemingly multiple places at once.  W. D. Jones even commented to the effect, people seemingly thought The Barrow Gang was everywhere.  I would think eye-witness accounts fueled by excitement and bordering on mass-hysteria-- would've been helpful in ways to The Barrow Gang-- for it would have the law scurrying every which way looking them.. which they were.  However in reality, true Bonnie & Clyde sightings were likely many fewer than remembered.       

Concerning The Byram Bonnie & Clyde signatures-- my feeling is, in order to support their family story and advance toward a move definitive conclusion, more needs to be done-- for to have only a story of provenance and somewhat cursory forensic examination may not be enough.  And rather than attacks leveled my way by some, with their own serious issues of impropriety to deal with concerning their conduct within this history (wrong allies for the Byrams)-- good & positive energy should be harnessed to work harder toward authentication.  As I see it, my job here isn't to rubber-stamp Bonnie & Clyde History-- but rather, have an inquiring mind-- and the character to maintain a level of decency and truth, concerning such an outstanding history.

Let me lastly say, those who roll out potential artifacts and supposed stories concerning this history-- and then try to control commentary and limit dissent-- are riding a slippery slope when it comes to their participation within Bonnie & Clyde History.  For those who on one side or another are stewards of this historical journey-- will in no way shape or form, be controlled by those seeking to enhance truth or change it-- without a serious examination of the facts involved.  Those who enter this arena, need to face the realization-- that being scrutinized is a way of life here.  "Welcome" to Bonnie & Clyde History.                        

                

In Bonnie & Clyde History-- Sometimes Romantic Notions Can Cloud The Facts.

As yet another year of Bonnie & Clyde History has come & gone (based on the anniversary of the ambush)-- it seems only right once again, to take stock of where this history stands.  One thing I'd like to address, are misconceptions some like to advance-- who seemingly care for this history enough to comment on it, but not enough to really learn of it's truths.  I would think these skewed perceptions, originate from less than reliable sources such as movies and websites-- more geared toward rumor and fluff than historical accuracy.    

It surely happens on "Marquee days", such as Bonnie or Clyde's Birthdays.. and on the anniversary of the ambush.. but can also occur just about any 'ol time.  False impressions of Bonnie & Clyde History, as if based on some Cliff Notes summary-- melded with the latest Nora Roberts romance novel.  Comments I suppose, which prove that in the minds of many-- Bonnie & Clyde have indeed been elevated to Romantic Cult Hero Status, regardless of inaccurate and suspect lore advanced to achieve that lofty title.   

However in reality-- the struggles of Bonnie, Clyde and various members of a somewhat revolving Barrow Gang-- were uniquely personal ones, caused by their own doings.. framed within the desperation of Depression Years-- and without the glamour and glitz heaped upon them now, by folks who apparently wish for those realities to have been more benign and romantic.  For being on the run from the laws as they were known then, and from those who supported hunting them down like rabid animals was no picnic for the bunch from Oak Cliff-- and with conveniences most never paid mind to.. a struggle to obtain or enjoy. 

Food-- a decent nights sleep-- the ability to be clean or a regular basis-- and the peace of mind to live without fear.. fear of pretty much everything-- a car breakdown, falling asleep when they shouldn't.. any number of circumstances which could've given them away and caused inevitable capture.  And death would've been the likely end for any capture.. for unbeknownst to most, if pressed to the wall-- Bonnie & Clyde's suicide pact would likely have taken care of things, others  bullets wouldn't have the satisfaction and opportunity to.  

No.. living out of cars or in the woods, always in danger of being recognized-- leading to chases at any moment or journeys thought needed to avoid violent engagement.. these were not pleasant realities.  But obtaining covert medical attention to treat injuries or gunshot wounds "was" a reality.. likely granted at the point of a gun, money or liquor in return for "favors" or forced assistance.   

So let's address one of these paramount misconceptions concerning Bonnie & Clyde here in this post.  The belief of Bonnie & Clyde having been modern-day Robin Hoods.. stealing from the rich and giving to the poor-- and having provided moral support, for Depression Age downtrodden people in need of a populist lift. Well, being the "front page" poster heroes of the downtrodden populism thing, at least has a ring of truth to it-- as many during the Depression Years did exhibit an air of anti-establishment sentiment-- and rallied around those who bucked officialdom. 

But the "Robin Hood" mantle.. "No".  In truth, Bonnie & Clyde robbed fewer banks than many give them credit for-- with "Mom & Pop" stores and gas stations (just like the one Clyde's parents owned)-- oft-times the targets of Barrow Gang hospitality, robbery and a quick getaway.   

As such, hard-working blue collar people least able to afford losses experienced within a visit from Bonnie & Clyde-- were the proud recipients of their "Robin Hood-like" goodness??  Doesn't work does it??  For although there "were" stories here & there concerning Bonnie & Clyde's kindness to common folk.. when money was needed--  the not so truly adept bank robbers, often chose less formidable targets to frequent.  For in truth.. they as people who came from a poor background-- stole mostly from those most like themselves. 

I'm not sure how and when, such a grand bank robber reputation seeped into to the minds of many concerning The Barrow Gang-- however if that were true, there may not have been such a falling out between Clyde and Ray Hamilton-- who fancied himself more within the bank robber mold, a direction he apparently wanted The Barrow Gang to take.  And although banks in Grand Prairie, Texas, Stuart, Iowa and Everly, Iowa were hit in fairly rapid succession near the end-- no one knows how any future plans would've played out, as death for Bonnie & Clyde was immanent.  

In my view, during that general time frame, there were 2 quite formidable line-ups of Barrow Gang members which could've pursued more advanced criminal ventures (especially the Henry Methvin/Joe Palmer line-up.. but with Clyde at the helm, betrayal at hand and as fate would have it.. those pursuits were not to be realized.  Palmer would be captured, and later executed just short of a year after the ambush of Bonnie & Clyde.. and Methvin who was pardoned by Texas as per the deal with his family, would serve 8 years of a life sentence.. having been convicted by Oklahoma for the killing of Cal Campbell, and later pass in 1948.         

Yep, many like to think of Bonnie & Clyde more in terms of a an embellished and romanticized revisionist remake, rather than within the harsh realities with which they lived.. and died.  But those harsh realities have the better lessons you see-- and the advantage of truth on their side.

Within Bonnie & Clyde History-- Historical Worth is Earned From The Ground Up.. Not Misplaced Egos Down.

A special message for those now finding it cool, to knock those who would defend what's right with this history. 

For those who see this photo and wish to knock Tom Methvin and Jimmy Ray Gillman, and dishonor them by spreading nonsensical untruths-- let it be known that some within this history have spent time, resources and energy many couldn't imagine-- researching Bonnie & Clyde History, in order to catalog info uniquely valuable to this cause.  These gentlemen are 2 of those folks. 

I suppose within some Bonnie & Clyde Cliques, the nonsense level can approach "never ending"-- as it seems there's little else to do but interact amongst themselves, in such a way as to expose shallowness so evident there.  But hyping and following the "Grando ego" of the week or month-- doesn't add to this history.. but instead just exposes a weakness.  What a shame Bonnie & Clyde History is so polarizing-- for if only combined within thoughts & hearts-- what a force all of us could be.  

These gentlemen and I have had our differences-- but that's in the past.  When this photo was taken, the 3 of us were researching this history together.  A few pretty good Bloodhounds, when tracking Bonnie & Clyde History.  Can a rekindling of that camaraderie happen once more, and "Tres Amigos" ride again??  The way things are going concerning the cheapening and trashing of this history by some-- don't be surprised.  Someone needs to stand up for what's right.. when some wish to squawk so loudly in being so wrong.             
 

R.I.P. Bonnie & Clyde Ambush Museum-- And Selling Less Than Authentic Artifacts??.. Say It Ain't So.

As I'm tired of cluttering up this historical site with a need to address Bonnie & Clyde infighting-- I've decided to address the recent turmoil surrounding The Bonnie & Clyde Ambush Museum in a different way.. and with some very straight talk.  1st some realities.  Unfortunately, the museum as many once knew it is gone.  Oh, the physical location is still there and the museum's still open.  It's just that the heart & soul of that quaint and charming museum located in the old "Rosa Canfield's Cafe" building in Gibsland.. and what it stood for for so long under the direction of L. J. "Boots" Hinton-- well, that's now history.  "Boots" may visit from time to time-- but the museum's new owner is not "Boots" Hinton and never will be. 

A couple of months back, I was contacted by friends of this history and made aware of drama which had occurred at the museum.. as well as drama still unfolding.  The Bonnie & Clyde chat rooms were all "abuzz", with pointed and passionate comment concerning issues at the "new" museum.  Oddly enough, I know quite a lot about the workings and finances of the museum through past associations and friendships.  At one point Ken Holmes offered me a partnership in the museum-- when he and Charles Heard parted ways.. an offer I politely thanked Ken for but ultimately declined.

To my knowledge-- in the past, the museum was always run with the highest of both ethical and historical standards and with the "wonderful" historical guidance of  L.J. "Boots" Hinton.  One might not always agree with "Boots" historically-- but it was hard to knock the homespun and sometimes ornery Bonnie & Clyde warrior.. as he crafted Bonnie & Clyde stories  as if seated at a crackling campfire, with fireflies darting happily about the night.   Then after captivating visitors fortunate enough to meet him-- "Boots" sent them down LA 154 to the ambush site, where Bonnie & Clyde History came to life within people's imaginations-- almost as loudly and dramatically as it did in the Spring of '34.     

For you see, the old Ambush Museum experience was about "history".  But now-- apparently it's more about backstabbing, rash embellishments and selling a plethora of touristy items along with supposed artifacts, which some "in the know" have warning-- are not as claimed??        

I was made privy to Internet threads concerning this changeover, which included comments made by Ted Prince, a friend to this history and with intimate knowledge of the new museum.  Among many comments exchanged on both Facebook and within Bonnie & Clyde chat spots-- was this comment by Mr. Prince..

"Ted Prince-- Before Mr Carver Purchased The Museum He Asked Me To Come To Work For Him And To Help Him Operate It Full Time. After A Few Weeks I Could Notice A Big Change In This Man Who I've Known For Years. As For Bogus Historical Items Being Sold? Yes, There Are Because I Was There When My Carver Made These Phony Items. I Told Him Several Times He Might Fool Some People But Come Festival Time, When The Advanced Historians Made And Visit, He Would Be Busted. And. ....He Was. The Historical Bricks Came From Outside The Rear Of The Museum And Community Center Next Door. The Others Came From The OTIS COLE House In Sailes Along With A Door And Wood Planks As Being Said To Be From The JOHN COLE House. There Was And I'm Sure Still Is Much More Phony Items And False Information Being Sold And Told. Such As Telling Visitors That The Gun Oakley Used In The Ambush Was On Display. The Gun In Question Actually Belongs To A Friend Of Mine And Is Not Even The Right Make Of Gun Oakley Used. There's A Lot More That Was Being Told That Was Nothing But Fabricated Lies".
 
Well now, what to do about that??  Surely serious enough charges to investigate and report on.. and for those who'd prefer I not do so-- too bad-- for this history deserves integrity, not odd questions concerning it's doings. So did some digging, conversing with many and observing.  And what did I find??.. that despite the museums lack of comment concerning all this (to me a remarkable thing)-- firstly based on historical knowledge I and others have, which apparently those now at the museum don't possess-- that allegations made against them do seem fair. 

For concerning the idea of contrived artifacts-- the museum apparently cannot provide adequate provenance for most of their high-ticket items.. and in some cases, others knowledge trumps the weak or non-assurance the museum provides.  Thus concerning the allegations made by Ted Prince, do I believe them??  Yes, based on all I can discern, and by logical and objective means historically (and allowing for a touch of bad blood)-- I believe them to be largely more true than not.  Included within that judgement, is knowledge that for those who know him-- Ted Prince's reputation is a good one. 

Plus the museum for all it's backroom talkin'-- has yet to deny any of Mr. Prince's claims publicly (to me a conspicuous silence)-- and actually has removed questioned artifacts from it's website for sale.  Now I understand they're still offering suspect items in person-- so if true, a much less visible and apparently deliberate attempt to limit their sale.   

So the question has to be, if these artifacts are real.. and having already been offered more broadly-- why then retreat from more lucrative opportunities and "circle the wagons" if not necessary??  A pretty fair question. 

As an aside here.. in having dealt so often with Bonnie & Clyde signature verification, and with those who look to ferret out forged signatures-- I am aware, that should less than authentic items be shipped over State lines.. that could constitute Federal mail fraud.  An effective tool, concerning forged historical document sales for example.      

For those not already aware of the items in question-- here's the rundown..  

COA states from Bonnie & Clyde's Sailes hideout, along with photo of the John Cole House.  However an eyewitness claims brick taken from Otis Cole House.  If so.. "wrong Cole house".

To me, the strangest Ambush Museum item.  The Bonnie & Clyde Joplin apartment, was known to have survived the Joplin Tornado.  Also, I believe the apartment's foundation to be concrete-- covered in what looks to be cut field stone.  So then.. what is this??  

In selling swatches of this for $200 a pop-- someone needs to provide better provenance, in order to claim this sweater vest had anything to do with Bonnie Parker. 

The sweater vest shown here, and touted as having belonged to Bonnie Parker-- is being sold as swatches for $200. each-- despite the fact proper provenance may not exist for this supposed artifact??  So which Parker relative will vouch for this article of clothing provided from an Internet sale??  More on this farther down the post.

Bonnie and Clyde Ambush Museum display, Gibsland, LA. For those who understand how hard it is to obtain authentic Bonnie & Clyde artifacts-- logic would preclude a current and seemingly limitless supply, of what were decades ago a "quite finite" number of items such as this.  So does anyone with a good sense of this history-- really feel it possible, for wheelbarrows full of claimed Bonnie & Clyde "relics" such as this, to magically appear-- after long ago having been so scarce??  You be the judge.  Nice display.. but one that defies historical logic.     

Also for sale are bricks said to have come from The Red Crown Tavern and Tourist Court.  However, although I have heard of a possible legitimate source for these particular offerings from a quite credible representative of this history.. according to Mr. Prince, these bricks too (or some of them??)-- may not have come from that locale as stated. 

I am offering Mr. Carver an open invitation here on The B&CHB-- an invitation to defend himself against the accusations made.  Thus, Perry, I will publish for all to see-- valid proof of your Ambush Museum's items authenticity and explanation thereof.  Please provide "specific" info concerning the provenance of the Cole House Bricks, Red Crown Bricks, Joplin Apartment stones, Bonnie Parker vest swatches-- indeed all supposed Bonnie & Clyde artifacts you are selling outside of the "touristy-type" offerings.  Provenance for historical artifacts needs to be specific-- with names named, dates provided and the circumstances for your obtaining them spelled out. 

It's my understanding, a number of stories may have been advanced concerning some of these supposed artifacts.  I would politely ask, that you provide just one story for each offering.  This forum is yours Sir.. whenever you're ready.  And from an historical viewpoint.. adequate provenance does not include people walking in the door, making some claim and having that stick as being true.  "Oh man.. I didn't catch his name.. but he said these are real-- and that's good enough for me".  "That"-- is not provenance. 

And for all please know-- that concerning thoughts being expressed re: legal sabre rattling, that within any follow-up involving authenticity-- proper provenance and the sources for each item would need to be divulged.  And, that provenance needs to be strong, in order to claim items as authentic.  The primary reason those accused of selling forged documents and signatures cannot effectively challenge those who accuse them-- is that valid proof of authenticity would need to be provided, proof never forthcoming.

Also, as I've heard the word slander bandied about-- slander is only the case when accusations aren't true and maliciousness is involved. I see no malice here at all, at least not on my part-- just a reporting re: an already publicly discussed controversy, and search for the truth-- as to "what's what" concerning the authenticity of said historical artifacts.  And I suppose when you're the owner of a spot accused of impropriety-- it pays to address that impropriety, rather than try to scare people off-- concerning truth which needs to be discerned to protect the integrity of history.  I've said it before and I'll say it again-- this is Bonnie & Clyde History.. where scrutiny is a way of life.  Apparently for some who thought they were already a part of this realm.. a sincere "Re-Welcome" to Bonnie & Clyde History.

Perry, let me say.. if you can provide proper provenance for the items you are selling, which someone intimately familiar with your operation says cannot be provided.. that would satisfy my quest for "right" concerning all this, and I will publicly apologize for reporting in error should you prove otherwise.  For I am not accusing you here.. only reporting as I should concerning this controversy.  So let me hear from you please, so we can get to work on this.  I'll also say, that without a follow-up from you to back your claims.. I would think most would be forced to conclude Mr. Princes accusations true.

Recent ebay auction featuring "suspect" items.  I believe this to be Mr. Howard's auction, incorporating both his swatches and other Ambush Museum offerings.  At auction close-- no bids.  For those into what's right about this history.. welcome news.   

And regarding the sweater vest-- I'll make James Howard the same offer I've made Perry Carver. James-- in order to assure accuracy concerning Bonnie & Clyde artifacts, please provide the "specific" historical source of that sweater vest used to make your alleged Bonnie Parker Swatches.  And it's not good enough to say "a Parker relative" without naming the relative. 

For as the Parker relatives are known to myself and others within this history.. just saying "Oh, this sweater vest was saved prior to Bonnie's Aunt Pat destroying all her belongings" (except for this piece)-- that won't cut it.  As the truth is known from the Parker family, concerning the fiery outcome for Bonnie Parker's possessions-- anyone claiming anything of Bonnie Parker's authentic-- would require extraordinary provenance.  So concerning this vest and swatches-- let's see if valid provenance is forthcoming.
 
"Which" relative provided it, "how and when" was it obtained?? and also contact info, for whomever had this item in their possession before you.  Also, I understand since only swatches have been taken from this article of clothing's lining.. "what size" is the vest??  As there are far too many Charlatans on the Net selling bogus things-- with some peddling Bonnie & Clyde related items, without a shred of proof of their authenticity-- as a marketer of memorabilia.. I would think you would welcome such a challenge Mr. Howard, to prove your item.

Concerning the John Cole House (Bonnie & Clyde's last hideout)-- I and others I trust-- have been to both locations identified as being where the John Cole House once stood.  As Carroll Rich has told me directly where his aunt Mildred Cole said it was-- and about the 2 brick chimneys still standing when he visited the sight-- at one point there "were" bricks there-- but not in the many decades since the 1930's when the house was reportedly destroyed and 1970's when bricks were witnessed there.  However, there were no bricks present-- by the times I and others visited these sites.  And that too.. is years ago now.

A standard I live by.. and wish all others would as well.

To me, the long and the short of this new museum is simple.. it's not what it was-- and a touristy shop with reported dubious products has risen from the ashes of what was an historical gem.. not for anything ever sold there-- but rather for the personal interaction with "Boots" Hinton.  Now "Boot's" has effectively been removed from his father's dream and life's work.. to lead a museum dedicated to Bonnie & Clyde History.  And tee shirts and beer koozies aside-- some in the know are warning of bogus "artifacts" sold there.   
 

And don't forget your Bonnie & Clyde Shot Glass.. perfect with beverages-- when celebrating your bricks and swatches.

So if you're looking for touristy incidentals for your Bonnie & Clyde touristy incidentals collection, look no further-- for The Bonnie & Clyde Ambush Museum likely has what you want.  But if you're looking for "history".. and history is what Bonnie & Clyde are all about-- it now seems in question??.. regarding how much history you may find, where once history resided in glory.   

What, no solar powered dancing Bonnie and Clyde's for your kitchen window??  "Damnation"-- for I may have just given them an idea.  And BTW-- if those now "in charge" in Gibsland and their supporters, knew much about that area or the back stories of Bonnie & Clyde History-- perhaps they could provide useful tours for those interested in the true tales of an area so rich with this history. 
 

What do most think of, when remembering The Bonnie & Clyde Ambush Museum during the best of times??  This Man-- L. J. "Boots" Hinton  

Bonnie & Clyde-- Folk Heroes, Cold-Blooded Murderers.. Or Something In-Between??

Grapevine Lampoon With A Message

As Easter Sunday and Grapevine are poignant markers within Bonnie & Clyde History, I've decided again to focus on Grapevine.. however this time, from the viewpoint of an intriguing question.  I don't think many doubt Grapevine was a turning point, in shifting public perception away from Bonnie & Clyde as glamorous outlaws on the run to prolific desperate killers-- but why this "tipping point" in public perception??.. and what does a seeming collective fascination with crime and it's consequences say about us as a society??  

As the high-rolling heyday of the Roaring 20's gave way to the dire struggles of the Great Depression-- public fascination with crime turned from the glamorous urban gangster types such as Al Capone and Dutch Schultz to fugitive rural bandits like Bonnie & Clyde and John Dillinger.  This new breed of outlaw was admired for their daring, mobility, and what were viewed as their "populist affronts" toward government and wealth-driven industries during legitimately tough times, when "regular folks" were reeling.  While romance and criticism of government power permeated newspaper, magazine, and film reel accounts-- radio at the time provided a different view of crime and criminals.  More about that shortly.

People Gathered At Grapevine Location, Viewing Markers Placed Where Officers Wheeler & Murphy Fell 

     

In missing nary an opportunity to sell their wares, 1930's newspapers seemingly loved Bonnie and Clyde-- with reporters carving out a populist path for them-- describing the loving pair within a range of interpretations consisting of everything from heartless killers to Depression Age Robin Hoods. Whether actually heroes or villains within the public eye-- their still solidifying iconic image when splashed on the front pages of newspapers, sold millions of copies to a fascinated and oft anti-establishment minded public-- thirsty for a way to "fight back" themselves, and make their frustrations heard to anyone who would care.

Spry Bonnie & Clyde Headline

Radio on the other hand seemingly held at least a short-lived & perceived  advantage over their print-media foes, in carving out an alternative editorial interpretation of '30's crime.  For radio outlets fancied telling these stories more from the viewpoint of the police-- who were themselves hungry for PR, in the wake of striving for increased organization and professionalism during the time of Bonnie & Clyde.  Therefore rather than romanticizing gangster culture as the film industry faced a wrath of  criticism for-- radio programs like the CBS radio series Gang Busters which aired in 1936-- tackled the legend of Bonnie and Clyde by touting legendary Texas Ranger Frank Hamer as a hero of the story, and portraying Bonnie and Clyde as deviant psychopaths. Thus in a remarkable and self-directed re-write of recently evident and documented populism-- responsibility for “guilt” as portrayed on '30's radio for the criminal activities of the pair, was left for the public themselves-- apparently admonished by the "powers that be" concerning views sympathetic to criminals and in support of legal protections like parole.

As an aside here-- the radio interpretation of Bonnie & Clyde as inept deviants, along with books such as "I'm Frank Hamer", risque' cartoons and True Detective stories fueled by lore which well could've had their start within J. Edgar Hoover's FBI-- may have greased the slippery slope which became Bonnie & Clyde sexual rumors.

Grapevine Front Page

Anyway, within "after the fact" interpretations, concerted effort was employed to strip glamour and romance from the pair-- however, at the apex of their crime spree-- Bonnie & Clyde enjoyed likely an unmatched notoriety and populist respect, fueled by the print media.  I would think this evident, at least until the Eastham Breakout.  However by January '34 or shortly thereafter, perception concerning the death toll from Barrow Gang escapades of selfishness or survival (depending on your viewpoint)-- seemed to grow exponentially within the minds of many.  Thus the idea of glamour as a dynamic, may have been replaced by an "Oh my God" factor-- where people's innate goodness and common sense took over-- in the realization that the murderous pair and their cohorts had to be stopped.

Why do I call the deadly consequences of Grapevine selfish acts on the part of Bonnie & Clyde??  Because in looking to arrange an Easter meeting with their families as most people got to do (but surely they weren't "most people")-- the gang as it was composed that day, decided to sit in a fairly conspicuous location for hours on end, while Joe Palmer was dispatched to notify their families of the impending meeting.  Not a characteristically smart move for Bonnie & Clyde, to remain static in one spot for very long.  Also in trying to multitask, in hoping to set-up a wary Raymond Hamilton for death due to betrayal during the very same hiatus from the road-- I'm not sure how many could call that a non-selfish act??  Thus to me, 2 selfish acts led to 2 deaths-- and a quite large misstep, in galvanizing an impressive array of law enforcement agencies against them.  As if they didn't already have enough trouble, staying a short step or 2 ahead of the law. 

Mine might be a minority view re: Bonnie & Clyde's need for family love causing death-- but I stick by it nonetheless.  For some time, I've keyed on the need for Bonnie & Clyde clandestine family meetings as being a catalyst for murder.  As leaving the country apparently wasn't viewed as an option-- the unrelenting love for their families, seemed to skew Bonnie & Clyde's thinking-- to the point they would continually pursue this quite challenging goal of meeting, no matter the risks and at all costs-- even lives. And for those who claim Barrow Gang killings weren't technically murder, but rather self-defense.. even though Bonnie & Clyde's actions (including these family interactions) caused confrontations-- I leave that logic to the "hero worshipers".
  

E.B. Wheeler

So at some point and perhaps as a result of the Easter Sunday slaughter of 2 young Peace Officers-- the populist outlaws and sometimes takers of lives, morphed into ruthless and focused killers of good law-fairing folks.  These raw and amended feelings seemed to work quickly at eroding compassion for Bonnie & Clyde within the minds of many.  Thus the killings of  E.B. Wheeler, H.D.Murphy and Cal Campbell within a 5 day period-- along with the pronounced violation of sanctity of Easter Sunday having been splashed with the blood of an upstart Peace Officer hit home.  At that point, not only did the metal and resolve of law enforcement strengthen in short order-- but apparently so too the conscience of a populous, unduly influenced by uncharacteristic poverty.  This melding of common sense, goodness and law enforcement resolve in supporting the "right side"-- vs those who had tipped the balance too far askew and thus needed to be reeled in-- proved a potent combination, and one the Barrow Gang would not overcome.   

I do wonder, how many realize the extent of the reported response of Texas law enforcement inspired by the Easter Sunday killings of Wheeler and Murphy??  For it was noted via news reports, that after the killings-- a relentless search was waged by a multitude of heavily armed officers-- in order to flush out and capture Bonnie & Clyde "dead or alive".  This man and woman hunt included the dispatching of 25 men from the Dallas Police armed with machine guns in an effort to search each by-road and main highway around Grapevine.  10 Deputies from Sheriff R.A. "Smoot" Schmid's Dallas Sheriff's Department covering the county along with 16 Fort Worth Detectives and a homicide squad made up of Fort Worth Police Dept officers.
 

H.D. Murphy

Also lending hands, minds and machines-- were the Texas State Highway Patrol and the volunteering of various other officers, in an effort to support their fallen comrades.  A hideout in Denton County was identified (a garage with cleared land around it) as having been used by the pair, with Bonnie Parker ID'd as having been witnessed nearby.  Also offering their resources, were both the Dallas and Fort Worth Offices of the Federal Bureau of Justice. The extent of the Bureau of Investigation's marked participation in the hunt for Bonnie & Clyde wasn't fully known, until the declassification and release of Dallas Bonnie & Clyde file 26-4114 in 2006-- but as in Louisiana, this wealth of G-Men and their considerable resources, did add an important edge to law enforcement in their pursuit of The Barrow Gang.  I also wonder, how much Bonnie, Clyde and the boys knew of all who trailed them??  Of course in 1935, the Bureau would then be known as The FBI.

As The Noose Tightened.. Did Bonnie & Clyde Know The End Was Near??  Some say Bonnie's Expression Here Says It All.

So was the image as published by the Dallas Morning News and re-printed above a telling one??.. and was Grapevine indeed a turning point in this history??  I think very much so-- and perhaps more akin to the truth, Grapevine "was" the final turn toward the "home stretch"-- for Bonnie & Clyde, the law, and for people needing to return to some sort of sanity & balance after having suffered so much personal degradation.  Yes, indeed the noose was already tightening on Bonnie, Clyde and the Barrow Gang-- with an increasingly untenable position day to day the stark reality, which would lead to their inevitable end.  But Grapevine and depending on how you look at it, yes even the goodness of Easter Sunday-- seemed to play on the hearts and minds of many-- thus sealing the deal.

Grapevine Memorial Marker, Located On What Was Dove Road Across The Street From Spot Officers Wheeler and Murphy Were Slain

And what of our fascination for crime and criminals??.. has much changed since the time of Bonnie & Clyde??  For more than 80 years now, Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow have been part of broader symbolic struggles that logically exceed their historical stance, and crimes committed. But today-- more traditional criminal-types have been joined by the likes of modern-day serial killers, mass murderers, and a new generation of "gangstas" in capturing our imagination and serving as a new symbolic battleground.  So have we as people grown, in order to reject the notion of glamour within crime??  Seems Snails move faster.