Captain Frank Hamer-- A Polarizing Figure From Bonnie And Clyde History

As Frank Hamer seems to incite heated controversy so routinely, within the history of Bonnie and Clyde-- I thought I'd combine a Controversial Quote and post together-- regarding Frank Hamer. A Hamer detractor recently wrote this:

"In my opinion, Frank Hamer was one pitiful excuse for any kind of a role model, much less "hero". He was arrogant, cold-blooded, and very very deceptive. What is there to admire about these 'special' qualities of his? And he was a criminal himself, till someone gave him a badge and the authority to lay down the law in any way he saw fit. The only reason he was bestowed with this power in the first place is because he was such a big brute of a man he could easily intimidate anyone, just by his size. And from that point on, he exercised his 'right' to flagrantly abuse this power, and he did so to the hilt. If there was anything honorable about Frank Hamer at all, I sure can't figure out what the hell that might be."

My response to the diatribe above, is to say I would agree that Capt. Frank Hamer may not have been a Saint to some, but he certainly "deserves" more respect and balance, than a mean spirited and short sighted comment can provide. Hamer did enjoy a distinguished career as a Texas Ranger, and was instrumental in contributing to the capture of Bonnie and Clyde-- like it or not. The preponderance of objective historical evidence, obviously and strongly supports the basic truths of Hamer's lifetime of accomplishments.

Frank Hamer was known to dislike corrupt politicians and those who broke the law. He began an on and off again career with Texas Rangers in 1906. He also took on an assignment away from the Rangers, in order to serve as a federal prohibition agent-- for the purpose of preventing illegal liquor from entering the U.S. In the 1920's Hamer became known, for bringing law and order to lawless oil boom towns in Texas. Although within these early endeavours just as noted in the ambush of B&C, some of his tactics were questioned-- Frank Hamer was "known" for getting tough jobs done, related to putting an end to lawbreaking and strike breaking etc. Apparently these actions and results were deemed acceptable during his time. He also helped end monetary corruption in 1928, by helping to stop The Texas Banker's Association Reward Ring.

In 1930, Hamer was involved in the Sherman Riot-- where he was assigned the daunting task, of protecting George Hughes, a black inmate accused of sexually assaulting a white woman. A lynch mob had formed to storm the courthouse in Sherman, TX -- in order to exact their own brand of justice, and hang Hughes without benefit of a trial. A rumor was circulated via a newspaper reporter, that the Governor of Texas had issued orders, that no one be shot in defending this prisoner. Some of the angry mob feeling empowered by this knowledge, rushed the stairs which Frank Hamer and his Rangers were defending. After giving fair warning in saying he didn't believe the report-- as he felt the Governor would never issue such an order, which would leave him no ability to accomplish his mission-- Hamer personally shot those who advanced on him, in order to get at Hughes. Hamer's efforts along with his small group of Texas Rangers were successful-- until the point where the mob burned the courthouse, in order to get their way. This mob eventually enacted their "justice"-- on an already dead George Hughes. I don't know about some, but to me-- Frank Hamer's gallant actions, in defending the rights of a man who's hours were likely numbered, is my favorite Hamer story.

Hamer's participation at the ambush of B&C, along with that of the other 5 lawmen present-- will be debated, as long as there is interest in these iconic outlaws. As I've said before, the '30s were "different" and desperate times. Things didn't seem fair, on either side of the law. But that's the way it was-- like it or not. The lawmen shot the hell out of B&C-- sanctioned by their governments, who trusted them to get the job done-- in whatever way it could be accomplished. And they did-- without condemnation from the powers that be.

Was Frank Hamer a tough and brutal lawman?? I'm not sure we'd be talking about him all these years later if he wasn't. Were the killings of Bonnie and Clyde an assassination?? In my view yes-- as how could you call the carnage which occurred otherwise?? Was the ambush an acceptable act, to stop the bloody rampage of B&C-- who were involved in the killings of more than a dozen people (mostly lawmen)?? In those times yes-- but again, that's the way it was. Perhaps Hamer's most controversial act was in helping kill Bonnie Parker, who it now seems clear he at least "believed" to be pregnant-- as supported by revelations from the Dallas FBI Files. This too, is an act surely deserving of much debate-- for years to come.

One of the most important attributes of an Historian, or others keenly interested in an historical subject-- is the ability to always realize and "understand" the times and "tenor" of the times being discussed. Otherwise, how can you make any intelligent statement, regarding the history you are recounting?? In my view, its wrong to interject the morals and socially accepted behaviors of another time (such as today)-- into the history of yesterday. Revisionist history is a dangerous thing, amongst those who consider themselves knowledgeable-- concerning this or any other history. Its better and proper, to allow yourself to travel back in time within your mind, and consider the evidence of history objectively "as it was"-- and not as it could, or in any one's judgment-- should have been.

Pics From The 2009 Authentic Bonnie & Clyde Festival Lorraine Joyner Memorial Historian's Meeting

Historian's meeting host and moderator Ken Holmes-- makes his way around the 185 B&C aficionados present, to introduce some folks-- and gather B&C stories of interest.

That's Harrison Hamer sharing an Historian's meeting moment with Tonya Holly-- in the blue shirt. If anyone has photos of Tonya Holly's presentation-- please let me know. I would very much like to post one within this montage.

John Neal Phillips tells of Clyde's struggles at The Eastham Prison Farm.

Jimmy Ray Gillman provides insights into the Louisiana connection, within the story of B&C. It doesn't get much better than this.

Special guest speaker Sue Joyner (with applause)-- after recounting her impressions regarding how the festival has grown, and how her mother Lorraine would be proud. Sue said when you see people with cameras taking pictures of trees (where something of interest once stood)-- they're probably B&C Historians. That's really funny-- and true too.

Yours truly having at it. Dallas FBI File 26-4114 with its many "wonderful" revelations regarding B&C-- was my topic.

A clever dual shot. From the slide, you can tell I'm speaking of Bailey Tynes. I suppose you might say, some have heard me speak before.

Dixie and Karron-- A B&C Festival moment. Friendship is what its really all about.

After a year of advance work and preparation for all-- "Mission Accomplished". The 75th Anniversary of the ambush edition, of the Lorraine Joyner Memorial Historian's meeting-- was a great success!! I think I've crashed. "Is it OK to be tired now"??

Shelley and Jimmy Ray-- after a "meeting to remember".

Blanche's Hangout-- No End To The Shame Commentary

Well you knew at some point, this was bound to happen on The B&C History Blog-- with it now necessary for me to use the blog, for pointed commentary related to B&C historical community housekeeping. I find it unfortunate this post needs to be written, but as some debates are fueled by honor and a belief in what's right-- sometimes you must digress to fight the good fight. The Bailey Tynes and L. A. Kindell info posted below is important to this history. So I hope after perhaps reading this account of my needing to deal with some B&C community nonsense and shenanigans-- you will spend your time, exploring other places on the B&C History Blog-- where the history is. As always, my thanks for your support.

You know, I'm a good guy. I'm honest-- I care-- and I usually won't choose to step into disputes, which don't directly involve me. I believe in taking the high road whenever possible. "However"-- every man has his limits. And I've now reached mine, regarding doings on Blanche's Hangout-- the B&C message board. In my view, this vestige of limited expression and childlike behavior, has reached a new low-- involving the heinous condemnation of both a respected B&C researcher and friend. As such, I cannot sit idly by without comment. I preface these expressions, by saying there are many fine individuals who participate not only on Blanche's Hangout-- but also on The Boodles message board, and here on The B&C History Blog as well. For those involved in these B&C outlets, please know my comments are aimed at a choice group of die hard B&C fanatics, who cannot seem to find any balance in forming their B&C opinions-- and who don't seem to desire a peaceful coexistence, with those who's opinions differ from their own. Others I trust know who you are, know your rightful place within wonderful B&C discussions-- and know how much I respect you, and your opinions.

Usually, threads on B&C message boards, involve a fair exchange of thoughts expressed in a polite manner-- free from personal attacks and nonsensical issues. When B&C are involved, discussions regarding this history "can" be spirited-- but are often cordial and intellectually stimulating. Well apparently not on Blanche's Hangout. There, a simple "Hey, what do you think"??-- can quickly morph into a vengeful, spiteful and downright vicious personal exercise in apparent hatred. And with supervisory guidance seemingly lacking, or asleep at the switch until it's too late-- these skirmishes can spiral out of control, into what would likely be fisticuffs, if the distances involved weren't so great.

I used to participate on Blanche's Hangout. However not just once but "twice"-- I was asked to modify or curtail my honest expressions, and attempts to speak or get at the truth-- objectively, fairly and politely. Finally the moderator of this board, said she'd heard too many complaints about me-- and asked me to participate no longer. However, since I had received "so many" e-mails and messages from members there, praising my style and posts-- I could only feel, these complaints were in reality, made by just a few narrowly minded insiders there. By the way, as the style and content of my posts hasn't changed-- for those familiar with me here, I would ask that you be the judge-- of my fairness and objectivity, in reporting on Bonnie and Clyde history.

Anyway-- an "over the top" unabashed love and adoration of Bonnie and Clyde often seems the rule, not the exception at Blanche's Hangout. Apparently, few divergent viewpoints are tolerated there for long-- before banishment and censorship can become a most unfortunate possibility and sometimes stark reality. Perhaps I have traveled back in time to pre- war Germany in 1939 or The Soviet Union during the cold war-- or to China well just about anytime. Perhaps I'm stuck in some time warp, and unknowingly-- cannot escape it?? No-- that's not the case. This "is" America in 2009 isn't it??

I have read through the entire thread sent to me regarding this latest war on Blanche's Hangout. My opinions are as follows: The ability of some to read and disseminate all the overly pro B&C information possible from a plethora of books, articles, videos and the like, over whatever period of time-- in no way equals-- the good, valid and important historical research, conducted over a number of years now by Tommy Methvin. Tom is a knowledgeable and well versed ally of this history. But beyond that, the insights he has learned in researching the Methvin family's involvement within the history of B&C-- are uniquely important. And in particular, his working closely with B&C Historian Jimmy Ray Gillman, on the Louisiana connection within B&C history-- which involves the end game for B&C and those who affected it-- cannot be ignored. As I am privy to many of the revelations which will be soon be exposed, based on "17" years of research-- I can tell you Jimmy and Tommy's upcoming book Waylaid-- The House Bonnie and Clyde Built, will surely be an important B&C work. The information revealed there-- "will" change Bonnie and Clyde history.

Great Researcher/Historians such a Tom Methvin, write of and contribute important historical information and valid opinion to this history. Fanatics on "either" side of the B&C fence-- are often instrumental in inciting passionate debate. With such "fervent" passion thrown about in either loving B&C or detesting them, sometimes the logic employed within these arguments is insightful-- but if overly impassioned, frankly can border on being delusional. As I've said many times-- its my belief a more "balanced" view of this history, in between the 2 extremes-- is likely closer to the truth. But one thing's for sure-- those who always support a singular point of view, without wavering-- and who ignore valid opposing logic and realities-- "ARE" closed minded. I would say its best to deal with the facts as they "were"-- and not attempt to color them, based on any current B&C fandom-- as if using a 64 pack of crayolas to angrily re-write history. This level of irrational B&C "fervor" in my view, impedes objective reasoning, and although expressed as opinion-- without "some" element of logical balance, only diminishes the credibility of it's expounders.

I had prepared more on this, and will be happy to cite and answer specific quotes and examples, of these nonsensical attacks and tirades-- evident on Blanche's Hangout if prompted. I will also say to some in particular there, if you would care to identify yourselves-- you're welcomed to come here and debate me anytime, or I will come to you-- whichever you prefer. At this point, apparently someone needs to help a few of you find your place-- as you and Blanche's Hangout are out of control-- out of bounds-- and out of free passes from me.

Both myself and others, respected within the B&C community, find the personal diatribe directed at Tommy Methvin on Blanche's Hangout "disgusting". Some objective B&C voices, now aware of this unsavory behavior-- have added their views to mine. It's been expressed to me that it's a shame, this B&C message board which started out as a good board-- has gone steadily downhill. Additional comments made have pointed out, that there are a couple of objective voices, who try to see both sides of the historical issues there-- and who are plainly disturbed at the personality issues which exist. But most telling of the comments of which I agree-- has been the statement that its wrong of the Blanche Board Moderator, to allow this abuse of Tommy to continue. And it's "downright hypocritical as well, considering she's censored you (meaning Winston) and others." On a personal note, I wish to say how much I appreciate this kind expression-- from an Historian I respect greatly.

These recent singularly sided rantings, exhibited by some narrow minded voices, who've apparently become the spokespersons for the B&C Hero Worshipers Society as seems to exist on Blanche's Hangout-- are perhaps a telling commentary, on where some B&C debate rests today-- seemingly in the gutter. The title of this post is Blanche's Hangout-- No End To The Shame. I call on Debbie Moss who although we've had our differences-- is by all appearances a good and caring person, and who's an important contributor to this history in her own right-- to seize control of her message board. I can only hope, she will chastise those who exhibit an overt lack of self control, and who seem to have no qualms, in directing hateful disrespect toward others-- who love this history as much as they do. It seems to me, that passion exhibited within this history, should be fine and welcomed-- but disrespect and hatred should not.

In closing I ask a simple question-- if banishment and censorship are the appropriate penalties for expressing honest and polite viewpoints on Blanche's Hangout-- then what are the penalties please, for the abhorrent behaviors of some of the chosen disciples of this board, who are now exposing it for what it truly is-- or are they?? I am hopeful Blanche's Hangout can rebound, and regain the respect it once possessed-- and "without" the nonsense, disrespect and censorship apparent there-- it would truly deserve. We need B&C message boards, as they are important forums for disseminating B&C history-- but not at the expense of honor, civility and historical integrity. Surely that cannot be the goal, of any B&C historical outlet.

Thank goodness for this comment by two caring members of Blanche's Hangout--

"From heartbreak some people have suffered; From weariness some people have died; But take it all in all; Our trouble's are small; Till we get like Bonnie and Clyde; life IS too short. we are all friend's here, let's just debate, and not make personal attack's. if i were new to the blanche board, i would think this was an argument between an old married couple. HA-HA-HA!!!"

A nice sentiment and lighthearted attempt at reconciliation. My thanks to you Ted and Karron for this peaceful expression. You are to be commended, in trying to bring some perspective and civility to these issues. But I fear the problem there-- may be more pervasive than even your kind words can affect. In situations such as this, I always say its the "Captain"-- who sets the tone for his or her ship and crew. And when your ship's sprung a leak, to me-- its time for the Captain to act.

Update-- I'm pleased to say the Captain acted, but in my view did the wrong thing in banishing Tom Methvin, while not even acknowledging issues with his arrogant and historically slanted detractors. More banishing, more censorship-- and perhaps with the wrong message sent. My view is, when you have 2 individuals who have squared off, and serious issues exist which affect the integrity of your forum-- the fair thing to do, would be to treat both combatants equally. If one goes-- both should go. I guess in this case, it was judged fair to protect some from the chosen fold-- while nixing a more objective voice for this history. Now and once again-- apparently a purifying of views there. I guess when all agree on everything, there will be nothing left to do-- but have a barbeque or something. Drinks anyone!??! I can only hope for a better balance for Blanche's Hangout in the future.

Another Bailey Tynes photo.

Bailey Tynes circa 1930-- along with his sons Bailey Edwin Tynes Jr in the front seat of their car-- and Harold Patrick Tynes looking over Bailey's right shoulder. The little tyke walking behind the car, is Bailey's nephew Warren Tynes. Many "thanks" to the Tynes family, for my use of these historic photos. A perhaps more personal photo of Bailey, can be viewed below-- in a May 30th post.

Photos of Bailey Tynes and other Tynes relatives are Copyright © 2009 by A. Winston Woodward. All rights reserved. Photos may be reproduced only by permission, with credits given to the Tynes family-- and A. Winston Woodward. Thank you.

Bailey was one of 8 children. Pictured here, is Bailey Tynes' youngest brother Clarence Burean Tynes, along with his wife Thelma.

This Tynes relative, from the Walker side of the Barrow family-- is thought to possess a likeness to Clyde Barrow. Clarence and Thelma are the caring pair, who watched over Bailey's children-- while Bailey was working with the Bureau. That's a "loving" look from Thelma-- if ever there was one.

Bailey Tynes "Revelations"-- Hold On To Your Hats

In speaking with the Tynes family in preparation for my talk at Gibsland, I discovered some truly "remarkable" information, expressed by Bailey himself over the years-- regarding his covert activities with the U.S. Bureau of Investigation, in reporting on Bonnie and Clyde. These stories were relayed to me, by 4 Tynes family members. One of these individuals is a great nephew of Bailey's, who heard Bailey relate many of these accounts himself-- and thus 1st hand while alive. Bailey was known as a great story teller, and among the ghost stories and such he would tell the Tynes children-- he would also relate for the teenagers and adults, stories of his time working as a lawman-- and spying on his own family. No one knew whether Bailey's stories were "tall tales" or not until recently-- when in contacting his family, I was able to prove to them, that these remarkable accounts of his working with the FBI-- were indeed true. None of the accounts I will relate to you now, appear within the FBI's Dallas Field Office files-- which make them all the more insightful.

The Tynes family was well known to both B&C and other Barrow relatives including Cumie and Henry Barrow. B&C would visit various Tynes relatives, particularly in Waco, Texas-- from time to time. While there, Tynes relatives would help B&C reluctantly. They would sometimes meet under houses out of sight, and perform tasks for them, such as going to local stores for needed supplies. At least one Tynes family member didn't think much of Clyde. B. C. Tynes described Clyde as a "trashy thug"-- and would help him a little but not alot. He didn't want Clyde hanging around his kids. But when B&C showed up, what could the Tynes family members do??

Waco police were aware when B&C were in town. They would get phone calls informing them of Clyde's presence. But with such a small force on duty, the Waco police were apparently afraid of Clyde, Bonnie and the gang. Those on duty would call in off duty officers to bolster their force-- but never confronted B&C. This info was relayed by retired Waco police Capt. Bobby Joe Fulwhyler, (now deceased) who was a member of the Waco P.D. in 1933. My thanks to the Waco, Texas Police Dept.-- for these insights.

Bailey Tynes, who was originally from Center, Texas-- was involved with B&C much earlier than the FBI realized. Bailey was known to have met with Clyde, Bonnie, Clyde's brother, his wife-- and a man with initials (W. D. Jones) near the "big thicket" (The Davy Crockett National Forest)-- which is in East Texas, near Louisiana. With Bailey having met with this most famous incarnation of The Barrow Gang-- this would necessarily place this meeting, prior to Dexfield Park in July of 1933.

When Bailey went to the FBI building in Dallas, he would enter an adjacent building, go to the basement-- and go through an underground tunnel to enter FBI HQ's. "Boots" Hinton confirmed the existance of this tunnel and secret entrance, which he himself used along with his father Ted years ago-- to enter the same building.

B&C came to Bailey's house in Waco on certainly more than one occaiasion, to spend the night. B&C were said to have been paranoid and very sporadic. They kept no schedule. They would sleep some and leave in the middle of the night. Notes were left by Clyde for Bailey, thanking him for his hospitality. This of course left Bailey in quite a spot. For at the same time Bailey was working for the Bureau, in helping them with information about B&C-- B&C would show up asking Bailey for help. Bailey was said to have been in fear for his life-- in hoping Clyde didn't figure out he was working for Bureau, against them.

This leads to another story, where Bailey may have actually run with B&C for a short period to Southern Louisiana. It was said he camped out with B&C there. Apparently even Bailey wasn't trusted. As such it was reported, Bailey wasn't allowed to go to town alone-- without one of them being with him. At this point Bailey was said to be fearful, that he was suspected of being a spy. This story may be likely, as Clyde was said to have had relatives in Southern Louisiana-- at Baton Rouge or Fields.

But perhaps the most remarkable revelation expressed to me, was that Bailey told of yet another B&C ambush trap having been set-- by the U.S. Bureau of Investigation!! Bailey had planned to meet B&C near a Pecan orchard or wooded area-- and had alerted the Bureau in advance, in order to put B&C on the spot. According to Bailey, Bureau agents were stationed there, and were waiting in those woods for B&C. But as often happened with the elusive pair-- they never showed, for what could have been a deadly and fateful meeting. I asked John Fox about this. His take was if this trap had been set-- that Bureau Agents would likely have attempted to capture Bonnie, Clyde and whomever else was with them. I also asked about an interesting question asked of me-- as to whether an order had ever been issued by Bureau Director J. Edgar Hoover, not to kill a woman-- which could have come into play here, within a capture attempt of Bonnie Parker. Dr. Fox told me to his knowledge as FBI Historian-- no such orders were ever issued. I don't know about all of you-- but I get chills thinking of this newly uncovered revelation.

Bailey was said to have been a soft spoken and kind man, who felt B&C needed to be stopped. He was apparently not trying to be a hero, and was never admonished for spying on his own family. During this period, in realizing the danger to himself-- he handed his kids over to his brother Clarence Burean Tynes and wife Thelma, for safe keeping. Bailey was a single dad at the time, and made sure while spying on B&C-- that his kids wouldn't be placed in harm's way.

Based on this newly discovered family information on Bailey-- one is left to wonder about this fascinating and mysterious figure from B&C history. I now believe the B&C sighting account uncovered by the Bureau, while later investigating Bailey. According to info uncovered in trailing Bailey, he had told a relative that while reporting to the Bureau from the Barrow residence-- B&C showed up there. The date of this meeting as reported by the Bureau Agent, coincides with the date of one of Bailey's Barrow residence reports. Curiously, Bailey never notified the Bureau of this fact-- at least not on paper. As revealed in the Dallas FBI Files, Bailey provided quite good and detailed info to help capture B&C-- but there is evidence, that he also may have held back info, which could have been important. One is left to ask why?? In the end B&C were captured, and Bailey went on to live a long life. He passed away in 1977 at the age of 84.

My sincere thanks to the Tynes family (Laura, Mark, Daryl and Dennis)-- for sharing with me, these wonderful revelations regarding Bailey. Without a doubt, my favorite secretive info revealed within the newly released FBI files on Bonnie and Clyde, involves Bailey Tynes. What a story-- what revelations!! I feel for the Bureau to have placed an informant within the Barrow home, was nothing less than astounding. I have additional info on Bailey-- and hope to learn even more in the future. I hope you've enjoyed hearing-- about this fascinating figure from B&C history.

Bailey Tynes revelations and info-- Copyright © 2009 by A. Winston Woodward. All rights reserved. Thank you.

"Controversial" Quotes-- Equal Time

To be fair-- another quote from the same CBS message board comments on B&C. The battle lines drawn re: B&C are always remarkable. Thus this quote.

"Do you guys even hear yourselves? Your minds might be a nice place to visit but I should would hate to live there. They were criminal punks and they got what they deserved. Its just too bad it did not happen sooner."

Another B&C History "Controversial" Quote

I couldn't resist posting this one-- which is a response to the CBS Sunday Morning B&C piece aired last week. What do you think of this "Controversial" quote?? Please comment, by clicking on comments in white box below. And a quote is a quote-- I won't correct spelling errors.

"Hamner was a punk not a hero. He would be included in the 270,000 police brutality videos on u-tube if he were alive today. Long love Bonnie and Clyde. When a system evolves that makes men sleep under a wagon and beg for food (especially when there is more than enough to go around) then anything goes. Most of the cops killed were hunting them. That's the way hunting should be, two sided"

B&C History Poll Answers-- For This Go Round

You know, these B&C poll questions are hard for me to judge sometimes. Some questions I feel will be challenging, won't stump this group. Then some, I think will be relatively easy, apparently seem perplexing sometimes. There's just one solution-- I need to get 'ol "Boots" on the phone again tomorrow, for some tweaking in the B&C polls department. So look for an all new batch of polls. This round's poll answers are as follows:

According to the August 17th, 1933 report, on the Red Crown and Dexfield Park incidents in the Dallas FBI Files-- Sheriff Coffey was hit in the little finger, on the side of his neck and slightly in the shoulder-- none of which wounds were serious. So as far as known, Coffey was hit 3 times. Its a good thing he had his iron shield, which was hit several times. Buck Barrow was said to have been hit by a .45 caliber round. Bonnie Parker was a petite young lady. She was known to have been just under 5 feet tall, weighed about 90 pounds-- and according to Marie Barrow via "Boots" Hinton, wore size 3 or 3 1/2 shoes. Durant, OK was the 1st of 2 locations, where Ted Hinton and Bob Alcorn had to issue B&C a free pass, based on Smoot Schmid's directive of non-engagement with civilians present. According to Buddy Golston who was on the wood pulp truck, there were 12 individuals present at the ambush of B&C-- the 6 officers, B&C, Ivy Methvin and "3" not 2-- on the wood pulp truck, as is often reported. Perhaps someone would know-- but to my knowledge, the 3rd person on the truck, as stated by Buddy-- has never been identified. It was Cam Gunter and her child, that were kidnapped by Raymond Hamilton and Mary O'Dare-- the day before Easter 1934. They were later released unharmed. Millie Stamps was Bonnie's aunt on her fathers side-- from Carlsbad, NM. According to "Boots" Hinton-- Little Man was Ted's nickname for Clyde.

B&C History "Controversial" Quotes

Here is installment 2 of "Controversial Quotes. Try this one on for size-- and please offer a response, by clicking on the comments button-- in the white box just below this post. Again, no authorship is revealed or should be revealed, unless by the author if desired. As such, just the quote is offered for your comment. This one was taken from a B&C message board.

"Clyde WASN'T "lazy" though. IF you ever bothered to read about what he actually did and didn't do prior to busting Henry out of Eastham, you'd know this. He was a capable hard worker, but his efforts to do right were thwarted one too many times. I don't think he "felt the world owed him something" at all, except maybe a chance to succeed honestly, but he was denied this opportunity. And "no morals"?! Oh please, get real here. Clyde had plenty of morals - and integrity. He was fiercely loyal to those he loved and cared for, but he hated rats. He gave money to strangers in need, and he treated his hostages with kindness and never harmed any of them. He was not motivated by greed; he gave most of his money away. He hated the oppressors, but showed great compassion for those who didn't have it so good. Are you not familiar with that concept at all?"

A B&C History "Welcome" To All Our Friends-- Worldwide

The list of visitors to The B&C History Blog, now includes those interested in Bonnie & Clyde who hail from: The U.S.-- Great Britain-- Canada-- Germany-- New Zealand-- France-- Pakistan-- Bulgaria-- Columbia-- Israel-- Japan-- The Netherlands-- Peru-- The Philippines-- Sweden-- Croatia-- Vietnam-- South Africa-- Singapore-- Ireland-- Denmark-- Argentina-- Spain-- The Dominican Republic-- Iceland-- Australia-- Greece-- Tunisia-- Thailand-- The Russian Federation-- Qatar-- South Korea-- Indonesia-- Italy-- Saudi Arabia-- Romania-- Portugal-- Mexico-- Finland-- Switzerland-- Brazil-- Austria-- Norway-- Belgium-- The United Arab Emerates, Ukraine, India, Jamaica, Poland, Hungary and Kuwait. A heartfelt B&C History "Welcome"-- to all!!

More Photos From Gibsland Trip

Tommy Methvin photos are surfacing from our Gibsland trip. Tres Amigos con la guitarra-- ready for action. Thanks Tommy, for the pics.

A pic, from the Lorraine Joyner Memorial B&C Ambush Festival Historian's meeting-- pre meeting. John Neal Phillips and yours truly, share a B&C moment-- before our talks along with Jimmy Ray Gillman, Sue Joyner and Tonya Holly. This year's 75th anniversary/ambush edition of the historian's meeting, was as always-- insightful, a great success and great fun.

"Your camera isn't working either Jimbee?? Maybe its spirit interference. Hey-- didn't B&C go that way in '34"??

New B&C History Feature-- "Controversial" Quotes

As there "never" seems to be a shortage of controversial quotes re: B&C-- I thought I would take some of these quotes (from various sources)-- and open them up for comment. No authorship will be revealed-- just the quotes.

So I encourage all of you, who are so passionate about the history of B&C-- to lace up your Everlasts-- and come out swinging. I hope this feature will inspire comment from both pro and con points of view. I would prefer decorum please re: your choice of language in responding. So please keep it smart, and keep it clean. Click on the comments button, within the white box just below to respond. Thanks. So here we go with the inaugural quote, as taken from You Tube --

B&C Quote: "Bonnie and Clyde were a reaction to what was happening around them at the times. They never foreclosed on any families or any farms.  The poverty of those times killed more than Bonnie and Clyde. Banks, greedy speculators, and the government caused much more misery."

Searching For CBS Sunday Morning B&C Segment

If any of you happened to record the B&C piece from last Sunday's CBS Sunday Morning program, please let me know. Our friend "Boots" Hinton was on this segment, which reported on the 75th anniversary of the ambush and goings on at Gibsland. Some of us looked for this piece the Sunday of the weekend festival, and were disappointed it didn't air. However in reality-- it was shown the following Sunday. As this video is not available on the CBS Sunday Morning web page, and I haven't been able to find it on You Tube-- I have e-mailed CBS, to ask if they could please post it. Perhaps you can e-mail them as well. The written post re: this segment, "is" on the CBS Sunday Morning site-- but not the video from which the report was taken. I would like to post the link to this video segment, here on the B&C History blog-- for all interested in B&C to see. The spot was titled Love And Bullets: The Real Bonnie & Clyde.

Here is the CBS Sunday Morning link--
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/sunday/main3445.shtml

and e-mail address--

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Keyword Question-- Why Couldn't the Police Catch Bonnie & Clyde??

When logging into the B&C History Blog, often those who visit here-- will have entered B&C key words or questions into their search engines. As I am aware of these inquiries, I thought it might be good to answer some of these keyword questions.

Why Couldn't the Police Catch Bonnie & Clyde??

Clyde's movements were many, haphazard and seemingly without rhyme or reason. The newly released Dallas FBI files on B&C-- finally provide us with insights into the secret travels of The Barrow Gang. In an FBI report dated March 29th, 1934-- FBI Agents recount the details of an interview conducted with a recently re-captured Hilton Bybee. Within this interview, Bybee tells of the enlarged Barrow Gang's movements after the Eastham Prison Farm break. In just a short period from January 16th, 1934, until the time Bybee split from the Barrow Gang, and was re-captured in Amarillo, TX-- apparently the Gang had traveled to the following locations: Hillsboro-- Grapevine-- Rhome-- Dallas-- Wichita Falls-- Vernon, OK-- back to Texas to rob a bank-- Frisco, McKenney, Hugo, back to Frisco, DeQueen, AR-- Ft. Smith-- back to OK-- Joplin, MO-- Texarcana-- then to Shreveport, LA-- Fulton-- Marshall-- Dallas-- Decatur-- then to west of Alvarado near Rhome again-- back to Wichita Falls-- Electra-- Vernon-- headed for Lubbock, but changed their minds-- Vernon-- back to Joplin-- Pittsburg, Kansas-- then headed back toward Lubbock-- where the larger group split into 2 groups. At this point Bybee heads to Vinita, and is captured at Amarillo. That's "a lot" of movement in a short time, which included inexplicable movements and apparent instances of doubling back. Now "that's" an insightful document, which reveals new information re: this history.

Clyde's driving skills were "uniquely" good. If Clyde had gone straight, he may have enjoyed a great career as a professional race car driver. He could cover long distances at a great rate of speed, which gave the gang a tremendous range of movement. Clyde also seemed fearless as a driver, and apparently had great reflexes. Ted Hinton told the story, that if Clyde could get 3 corners on you-- he was gone.

Laws and limitations of the time, protected the Gang's interstate concealment. B&C successfully exploited the "state line" rule-- which at the time prevented peace officers from one jurisdiction from pursuing fleeing fugitives into another. By traveling near state borders, The Barrow Gang, could take advantage of this rule-- which was changed shortly thereafter, certainly due to the exploits of B&C and other notorious criminals of their day. Surely another limiting factor, which lawmen found detrimental-- was the decided lack of communication between law enforcement personnel. 2 way radios in police cars was not yet a reality. Therefore police needed to stop and phone in their reports. And when push came to shove, one snip of the phone and or telegraph lines-- and from the Barrow Gang's point of view, it was police blackout time.

Clyde's 6th sense. Often discussed, Clyde seemed to have great sense of avoiding danger. And if faced with an opposing force, he wasted no time in moving as quickly as possible, away from an enemy presence. Based on this rapid response-- reinforcements and additional strategies on the part of lawmen, couldn't easily be brought to bear against The Barrow Gang.

Commentary-- Based on new evidence such as the Bybee interview which chronicles Clyde's movements in detail, I'm not sure I can fully subscribe to the Hamer "discovered a pattern" argument in his tracking of Clyde-- as has been told over the years, as being of central importance. Perhaps a touch of aggrandizement there. As such, I now believe in the "group" effort, consisting of the groundwork laid for the sellout in Louisiana, along with the intelligence performed by the U.S. Bureau of Investigation-- as well as the alerting of officers including Capt. Hamer in Dallas, to come to LA where the action was to take down B&C-- as being closer to the truth.

Some will always view Hamer as the main hero in the B&C endgame. If hero is indeed the right word-- I view him now as playing an important role among many, who contributed toward stopping B&C's reign of terror. Hinton and Alcorn trailed B&C for 17 months. The U. S. Bureau of Investigation had worked on the case, with much more impact than realized previously-- from January of 1933 until their most important work in LA. The Methvin family had put their lives on the line, in order to put B&C on the spot. "And" Capt. Frank Hamer with his reputation for getting the job done, did focus a greater presence-- contribute an enhanced reconnaissance and incite a greater momentum-- when added to the dedicated group of lawmen, who in the end-- did get the job done.

B&C Polls Are Remarkably Quiet--

I'm not sure if "Boots" and I have finally found the right approach and level of difficulty, within the B&C poll questions-- or if everyone's just busy enjoying their Summer. There have been remarkably few votes cast in the 8 newly posted polls-- and time is getting short with which to vote. I personally like this batch of questions, and have thought some of them would be of keen interest-- to spark June's contest. So as the famous politician said-- "let me say this about that"-- please cast your votes today, for the latest B&C Polls. As always-- "many thanks" for your support.

The Bonnie & Clyde Signatures
Questions and Answers-- 1st in a Series

Hi all. Having answered questions recently about Bonnie's lost poem "The Street Girl"-- which is a "remarkable" B&C artifact, and one which was intimately involved with the authentication of Bonnie & Clyde Signatures-- I thought it might be interesting to post questions I've received, or logical extensions to questions I've received-- concerning The Bonnie & Clyde Signatures. With a positive response to this idea-- I will continue to include these signature stories on the blog, from time to time.

Question: Why did you take the chance you did, in purchasing these seemingly "impossible" dual autographs over the internet-- when you had never trusted in the internet before, for an autograph purchase??

Well, to quote a chapter from my upcoming book on the signatures-- "Beware" The Internet!?-- Just Make Sure Your Caution Doesn't Cost You-- "The Find of a Lifetime"!!

It is true, prior to my purchase of The B&C Signatures from Irving memorabilia dealer Michael Still, I had never bought any of my autographs (historical or otherwise) over the internet. I had always trusted in what were deemed "reputable" old school dealers. That's the accepted way to purchase autographs and memorabilia you know. But this "is" the age of the internet-- and this great modern tool of our time, has materially changed the way we do business-- and greatly enhanced the opportunities for virtually all recreations we enjoy today, including the marketing and purchasing of historical artifacts. Even the major auction houses, utilize the internet effectively today-- to expand their reach in offering historical artifacts world wide.

You know the feeling-- when you see an item that captivates you-- to the point you just can't help but re-visit it over and over, for reasons you don't fully understand?? Well that's what happened to me, when I first viewed what were purported to be, the dual signatures of Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow offered for sale on the internet in 2006. Seemingly, Michael was offering these scripts through more than one outlet, both through his e-bay memorabilia store, and through a broker within a separate offering. At first it was apparently "no one" believed these signatures could be real. One e-bay auction went by-- then a second, and no seemed willing to take the gamble, on what I knew would be truly rare signatures individually-- but were within the "nearly impossible" realm-- for both B&C signatures to have been paired and authentic. I can only guess, there were no collectors out there at the time, both equal to my passion for taking the big leap-- and trusting in Michael and these remarkable scripts.

After deciding not to purchase the signatures during e-bay round one-- I was surprised to see them re-listed again. I'd thought for sure, someone somewhere in the world-- would have bought them. Fortunately for me, they didn't. It was at that point I geared up and began to investigate, to learn all I could as quickly as I could-- about the signatures of Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow. As there was no single resource available, with which to locate info on B&C's signatures in the short time I had available to me-- I literally had to piece together images of as many generally accepted examples of B&C signatures, as were known at the time. Although I found some signature samples, it became clear there were not that many authentic examples with which to compare. Thus, as the close of auction 2 neared, I still felt unprepared to commit to the risk these purported signatures presented. As an interesting aside was the fact, that Michael had a buy it now option, available during this roughly 3 week period. Therefore anyone, could have snatched the signatures up while I was busy researching them, in order to feel comfortable taking what I knew-- was a gamble.

Remarkably, auction 2 came and went without a resolution. Again the next morning I looked, and what to my eyes did appear-- but a vision of the signatures "still" available and having not sold-- "again". It was at that point I remember thinking to myself-- why couldn't these signatures be real?? Clyde's signature did appear to clearly resemble other known Clyde Barrow scripts. But it was Bonnie's signature which was the enigma. With only 2 (or thereabouts) known signatures with which to compare, depending on who you believed-- at that point, identifying Bonnie's handwritten script was literally a crap shoot. However shortly thereafter, what ended up being the "deciding" factor in my choosing to buy the signatures-- which interestingly had little to do with either signature, became evident to me.

Clyde had mysteriously tagged his signature, by writing the words Dallas, Texas beneath his name. At the time, I had no idea why he might have done this-- but that curious addendum seemed so unusual, I thought it important. I would later learn from an insider source, why Clyde likely added this tag to his signature, but at the time-- I didn't know. Anyway-- I felt somehow, the key to these signatures might be this Dallas, Texas tag. Thus I needed to find some example-- "any" example, where Clyde was known to have written the words Dallas, Texas. Improbably-- an exact example of this action did exist!! I found the match I needed, on the image of the postcard addressed to Cumie Barrow, apparently written to arrange one of the clandestine family meetings-- as posted on Frank Ballinger's Bonnie and Clyde's Hideout Website. As I've often said-- "Thanks" Frank!!

I felt few would write a capital T which looks so plainly like a capital L-- as we would form today. But Clyde did on the postcard, as well as within these signatures. In fact, the entire and unusually formed handwritten Dallas, Texas fashioned within the postcard address, couldn't have been much more similar-- to the tag on the image of the dual signatures. It was at that moment, I felt the same chill I always get in remembering this story-- the very same chill I'm feeling now in recounting this memory for you. At that point I recall thinking something along the lines of "My God-- these signatures could be real". But even with this exciting revelation, along with a most interesting and what I'd discovered to be plausible provenance-- I felt I needed to resolve one nagging question I had re: the signatures. For a pair of signatures potentially this historically important-- why didn't Michael take these signatures to Sothebys, to reap the benefits of what surely could have been, a most intense and profitable auction-- instead of selling them himself??

Although Michael and I had exchanged e-mails re: the signature's provenance-- I felt it important to call Michael and speak with him directly, for this query. I found Michael to be engaging, knowledgeable and passionate re: his love of memorabilia. He explained his philosophy and ways of conducting his business, which he had apparently abided by for many years. I learned he had held onto these signatures for some time, and was now ready to part with them. He also provided an answer to the question searing within me, which although at the time I still found curious-- none the less after enjoying a long conversation with Michael-- I felt I had no reason to doubt him. Having been around the block more than a few times in life, I truly felt no hesitation in trusting in the signatures after speaking with Michael. It should be noted, when I traveled to Dallas for the unveiling of the signatures, I had the opportunity to meet with Michael Still. At that time, he provided me with additional, heartfelt and somewhat personal answers to that question, I had so earnestly attempted to resolve prior to my purchasing the signatures. I'm most happy to have learned what I did from Michael, as his comments provided an acceptable and kind closure-- for that question I had always wondered.

Getting back to the story-- having resolved the last of my concerns re: the signatures-- of course it was about then I realized, that I had been so busy researching my rationale for buying the signatures-- that I hadn't lined up my money to be ready to pull the trigger. Needless to say after a bit of anxiety-- I worked this issue through in short order, and with one last pause and a deep breath-- clicked on the buy it now button. Next time, perhaps I'll tell you about the adversary I later learned, could well have purchased the signatures before I did-- but due to his abrasive style in approaching Michael Still behind the scenes-- caused Michael to decide not to sell him the signatures. That's a remarkable story in itself. I really should look this person up and thank him sometime, for apparently exhibiting the unique charm he did in dealing with Michael. Interestingly this man's actions, helped assure me of obtaining the signatures-- based on his failed attempt to obtain them covertly. More on that another time. But the moral of this story is clear-- it always pays to be straight forward and polite.

But once I had the signatures, the real journey would begin-- a now more than 3 year experience which has included forensic handwriting analysis, microscopy, provenance verification and the like-- needed to establishing authenticity for these historic dual signatures, of America's most iconic outlaws. For more info on The Bonnie & Clyde Signatures and their authentication-- please visit Bonnie and Clyde's Hideout-- http://texashideout.tripod.com/bc.htm Look for the signatures of Bonnie and Clyde on the main page, or within the Tattler section. My thanks, for the many questions regarding the signatures over the years. I'm happy to answer questions about this unique, and perhaps most personal of B&C artifacts-- whenever asked.

12 Plus New B&C Video Links Posted

I've posed at least a dozen new B&C Video Links down the right side of the Blog. All new videos, are identified as being NEW!! Some really cool stuff. Enjoy!!