Sunday, June 7, 2009

"Controversial" Quotes-- Equal Time

To be fair-- another quote from the same CBS message board comments on B&C. The battle lines drawn re: B&C are always remarkable. Thus this quote.

"Do you guys even hear yourselves? Your minds might be a nice place to visit but I should would hate to live there. They were criminal punks and they got what they deserved. Its just too bad it did not happen sooner."

Another B&C History "Controversial" Quote

I couldn't resist posting this one-- which is a response to the CBS Sunday Morning B&C piece aired last week. What do you think of this "Controversial" quote?? Please comment, by clicking on comments in white box below. And a quote is a quote-- I won't correct spelling errors.

"Hamner was a punk not a hero. He would be included in the 270,000 police brutality videos on u-tube if he were alive today. Long love Bonnie and Clyde. When a system evolves that makes men sleep under a wagon and beg for food (especially when there is more than enough to go around) then anything goes. Most of the cops killed were hunting them. That's the way hunting should be, two sided"

Saturday, June 6, 2009

B&C History Poll Answers-- For This Go Round

You know, these B&C poll questions are hard for me to judge sometimes. Some questions I feel will be challenging, won't stump this group. Then some, I think will be relatively easy, apparently seem perplexing sometimes. There's just one solution-- I need to get 'ol "Boots" on the phone again tomorrow, for some tweaking in the B&C polls department. So look for an all new batch of polls. This round's poll answers are as follows:

According to the August 17th, 1933 report, on the Red Crown and Dexfield Park incidents in the Dallas FBI Files-- Sheriff Coffey was hit in the little finger, on the side of his neck and slightly in the shoulder-- none of which wounds were serious. So as far as known, Coffey was hit 3 times. Its a good thing he had his iron shield, which was hit several times. Buck Barrow was said to have been hit by a .45 caliber round. Bonnie Parker was a petite young lady. She was known to have been just under 5 feet tall, weighed about 90 pounds-- and according to Marie Barrow via "Boots" Hinton, wore size 3 or 3 1/2 shoes. Durant, OK was the 1st of 2 locations, where Ted Hinton and Bob Alcorn had to issue B&C a free pass, based on Smoot Schmid's directive of non-engagement with civilians present. According to Buddy Golston who was on the wood pulp truck, there were 12 individuals present at the ambush of B&C-- the 6 officers, B&C, Ivy Methvin and "3" not 2-- on the wood pulp truck, as is often reported. Perhaps someone would know-- but to my knowledge, the 3rd person on the truck, as stated by Buddy-- has never been identified. It was Cam Gunter and her child, that were kidnapped by Raymond Hamilton and Mary O'Dare-- the day before Easter 1934. They were later released unharmed. Millie Stamps was Bonnie's aunt on her fathers side-- from Carlsbad, NM. According to "Boots" Hinton-- Little Man was Ted's nickname for Clyde.

B&C History "Controversial" Quotes

Here is installment 2 of "Controversial Quotes. Try this one on for size-- and please offer a response, by clicking on the comments button-- in the white box just below this post. Again, no authorship is revealed or should be revealed, unless by the author if desired. As such, just the quote is offered for your comment. This one was taken from a B&C message board.

"Clyde WASN'T "lazy" though. IF you ever bothered to read about what he actually did and didn't do prior to busting Henry out of Eastham, you'd know this. He was a capable hard worker, but his efforts to do right were thwarted one too many times. I don't think he "felt the world owed him something" at all, except maybe a chance to succeed honestly, but he was denied this opportunity. And "no morals"?! Oh please, get real here. Clyde had plenty of morals - and integrity. He was fiercely loyal to those he loved and cared for, but he hated rats. He gave money to strangers in need, and he treated his hostages with kindness and never harmed any of them. He was not motivated by greed; he gave most of his money away. He hated the oppressors, but showed great compassion for those who didn't have it so good. Are you not familiar with that concept at all?"

A B&C History "Welcome" To All Our Friends-- Worldwide

The list of visitors to The B&C History Blog, now includes those interested in Bonnie & Clyde who hail from: The U.S.-- Great Britain-- Canada-- Germany-- New Zealand-- France-- Pakistan-- Bulgaria-- Columbia-- Israel-- Japan-- The Netherlands-- Peru-- The Philippines-- Sweden-- Croatia-- Vietnam-- South Africa-- Singapore-- Ireland-- Denmark-- Argentina-- Spain-- The Dominican Republic-- Iceland-- Australia-- Greece-- Tunisia-- Thailand-- The Russian Federation-- Qatar-- South Korea-- Indonesia-- Italy-- Saudi Arabia-- Romania-- Portugal-- Mexico-- Finland-- Switzerland-- Brazil-- Austria-- Norway-- Belgium-- The United Arab Emerates, Ukraine, India, Jamaica, Poland, Hungary and Kuwait. A heartfelt B&C History "Welcome"-- to all!!

More Photos From Gibsland Trip

Tommy Methvin photos are surfacing from our Gibsland trip. Tres Amigos con la guitarra-- ready for action. Thanks Tommy, for the pics.
A pic, from the Lorraine Joyner Memorial B&C Ambush Festival Historian's meeting-- pre meeting. John Neal Phillips and yours truly, share a B&C moment-- before our talks along with Jimmy Ray Gillman, Sue Joyner and Tonya Holly. This year's 75th anniversary/ambush edition of the historian's meeting, was as always-- insightful, a great success and great fun.
"Your camera isn't working either Jimbee?? Maybe its spirit interference. Hey-- didn't B&C go that way in '34"??

Thursday, June 4, 2009

New B&C History Feature-- "Controversial" Quotes

As there "never" seems to be a shortage of controversial quotes re: B&C-- I thought I would take some of these quotes (from various sources)-- and open them up for comment. No authorship will be revealed-- just the quotes.

So I encourage all of you, who are so passionate about the history of B&C-- to lace up your Everlasts-- and come out swinging. I hope this feature will inspire comment from both pro and con points of view. I would prefer decorum please re: your choice of language in responding. So please keep it smart, and keep it clean. Click on the comments button, within the white box just below to respond. Thanks. So here we go with the inaugural quote, as taken from You Tube --

B&C Quote: "Bonnie and Clyde were a reaction to what was happening around them at the times. They never foreclosed on any families or any farms.  The poverty of those times killed more than Bonnie and Clyde. Banks, greedy speculators, and the government caused much more misery."

Searching For CBS Sunday Morning B&C Segment

If any of you happened to record the B&C piece from last Sunday's CBS Sunday Morning program, please let me know. Our friend "Boots" Hinton was on this segment, which reported on the 75th anniversary of the ambush and goings on at Gibsland. Some of us looked for this piece the Sunday of the weekend festival, and were disappointed it didn't air. However in reality-- it was shown the following Sunday. As this video is not available on the CBS Sunday Morning web page, and I haven't been able to find it on You Tube-- I have e-mailed CBS, to ask if they could please post it. Perhaps you can e-mail them as well. The written post re: this segment, "is" on the CBS Sunday Morning site-- but not the video from which the report was taken. I would like to post the link to this video segment, here on the B&C History blog-- for all interested in B&C to see. The spot was titled Love And Bullets: The Real Bonnie & Clyde.

Here is the CBS Sunday Morning link--
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/sunday/main3445.shtml

and e-mail address--

sundays@cbsnews.com

Thanks

Wednesday, June 3, 2009

Keyword Question-- Why Couldn't the Police Catch Bonnie & Clyde??

When logging into the B&C History Blog, often those who visit here-- will have entered B&C key words or questions into their search engines. As I am aware of these inquiries, I thought it might be good to answer some of these keyword questions.

Why Couldn't the Police Catch Bonnie & Clyde??

Clyde's movements were many, haphazard and seemingly without rhyme or reason. The newly released Dallas FBI files on B&C-- finally provide us with insights into the secret travels of The Barrow Gang. In an FBI report dated March 29th, 1934-- FBI Agents recount the details of an interview conducted with a recently re-captured Hilton Bybee. Within this interview, Bybee tells of the enlarged Barrow Gang's movements after the Eastham Prison Farm break. In just a short period from January 16th, 1934, until the time Bybee split from the Barrow Gang, and was re-captured in Amarillo, TX-- apparently the Gang had traveled to the following locations: Hillsboro-- Grapevine-- Rhome-- Dallas-- Wichita Falls-- Vernon, OK-- back to Texas to rob a bank-- Frisco, McKenney, Hugo, back to Frisco, DeQueen, AR-- Ft. Smith-- back to OK-- Joplin, MO-- Texarcana-- then to Shreveport, LA-- Fulton-- Marshall-- Dallas-- Decatur-- then to west of Alvarado near Rhome again-- back to Wichita Falls-- Electra-- Vernon-- headed for Lubbock, but changed their minds-- Vernon-- back to Joplin-- Pittsburg, Kansas-- then headed back toward Lubbock-- where the larger group split into 2 groups. At this point Bybee heads to Vinita, and is captured at Amarillo. That's "a lot" of movement in a short time, which included inexplicable movements and apparent instances of doubling back. Now "that's" an insightful document, which reveals new information re: this history.

Clyde's driving skills were "uniquely" good. If Clyde had gone straight, he may have enjoyed a great career as a professional race car driver. He could cover long distances at a great rate of speed, which gave the gang a tremendous range of movement. Clyde also seemed fearless as a driver, and apparently had great reflexes. Ted Hinton told the story, that if Clyde could get 3 corners on you-- he was gone.

Laws and limitations of the time, protected the Gang's interstate concealment. B&C successfully exploited the "state line" rule-- which at the time prevented peace officers from one jurisdiction from pursuing fleeing fugitives into another. By traveling near state borders, The Barrow Gang, could take advantage of this rule-- which was changed shortly thereafter, certainly due to the exploits of B&C and other notorious criminals of their day. Surely another limiting factor, which lawmen found detrimental-- was the decided lack of communication between law enforcement personnel. 2 way radios in police cars was not yet a reality. Therefore police needed to stop and phone in their reports. And when push came to shove, one snip of the phone and or telegraph lines-- and from the Barrow Gang's point of view, it was police blackout time.

Clyde's 6th sense. Often discussed, Clyde seemed to have great sense of avoiding danger. And if faced with an opposing force, he wasted no time in moving as quickly as possible, away from an enemy presence. Based on this rapid response-- reinforcements and additional strategies on the part of lawmen, couldn't easily be brought to bear against The Barrow Gang.

Commentary-- Based on new evidence such as the Bybee interview which chronicles Clyde's movements in detail, I'm not sure I can fully subscribe to the Hamer "discovered a pattern" argument in his tracking of Clyde-- as has been told over the years, as being of central importance. Perhaps a touch of aggrandizement there. As such, I now believe in the "group" effort, consisting of the groundwork laid for the sellout in Louisiana, along with the intelligence performed by the U.S. Bureau of Investigation-- as well as the alerting of officers including Capt. Hamer in Dallas, to come to LA where the action was to take down B&C-- as being closer to the truth.

Some will always view Hamer as the main hero in the B&C endgame. If hero is indeed the right word-- I view him now as playing an important role among many, who contributed toward stopping B&C's reign of terror. Hinton and Alcorn trailed B&C for 17 months. The U. S. Bureau of Investigation had worked on the case, with much more impact than realized previously-- from January of 1933 until their most important work in LA. The Methvin family had put their lives on the line, in order to put B&C on the spot. "And" Capt. Frank Hamer with his reputation for getting the job done, did focus a greater presence-- contribute an enhanced reconnaissance and incite a greater momentum-- when added to the dedicated group of lawmen, who in the end-- did get the job done.


B&C Polls Are Remarkably Quiet--

I'm not sure if "Boots" and I have finally found the right approach and level of difficulty, within the B&C poll questions-- or if everyone's just busy enjoying their Summer. There have been remarkably few votes cast in the 8 newly posted polls-- and time is getting short with which to vote. I personally like this batch of questions, and have thought some of them would be of keen interest-- to spark June's contest. So as the famous politician said-- "let me say this about that"-- please cast your votes today, for the latest B&C Polls. As always-- "many thanks" for your support.

Tuesday, June 2, 2009

The Bonnie & Clyde Signatures
Questions and Answers-- 1st in a Series


Hi all. Having answered questions recently about Bonnie's lost poem "The Street Girl"-- which is a "remarkable" B&C artifact, and one which was intimately involved with the authentication of Bonnie & Clyde Signatures-- I thought it might be interesting to post questions I've received, or logical extensions to questions I've received-- concerning The Bonnie & Clyde Signatures. With a positive response to this idea-- I will continue to include these signature stories on the blog, from time to time.


Question: Why did you take the chance you did, in purchasing these seemingly "impossible" dual autographs over the internet-- when you had never trusted in the internet before, for an autograph purchase??

Well, to quote a chapter from my upcoming book on the signatures-- "Beware" The Internet!?-- Just Make Sure Your Caution Doesn't Cost You-- "The Find of a Lifetime"!!


It is true, prior to my purchase of The B&C Signatures from Irving memorabilia dealer Michael Still, I had never bought any of my autographs (historical or otherwise) over the internet. I had always trusted in what were deemed "reputable" old school dealers. That's the accepted way to purchase autographs and memorabilia you know. But this "is" the age of the internet-- and this great modern tool of our time, has materially changed the way we do business-- and greatly enhanced the opportunities for virtually all recreations we enjoy today, including the marketing and purchasing of historical artifacts. Even the major auction houses, utilize the internet effectively today-- to expand their reach in offering historical artifacts world wide.

You know the feeling-- when you see an item that captivates you-- to the point you just can't help but re-visit it over and over, for reasons you don't fully understand?? Well that's what happened to me, when I first viewed what were purported to be, the dual signatures of Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow offered for sale on the internet in 2006. Seemingly, Michael was offering these scripts through more than one outlet, both through his e-bay memorabilia store, and through a broker within a separate offering. At first it was apparently "no one" believed these signatures could be real. One e-bay auction went by-- then a second, and no seemed willing to take the gamble, on what I knew would be truly rare signatures individually-- but were within the "nearly impossible" realm-- for both B&C signatures to have been paired and authentic. I can only guess, there were no collectors out there at the time, both equal to my passion for taking the big leap-- and trusting in Michael and these remarkable scripts.

After deciding not to purchase the signatures during e-bay round one-- I was surprised to see them re-listed again. I'd thought for sure, someone somewhere in the world-- would have bought them. Fortunately for me, they didn't. It was at that point I geared up and began to investigate, to learn all I could as quickly as I could-- about the signatures of Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow. As there was no single resource available, with which to locate info on B&C's signatures in the short time I had available to me-- I literally had to piece together images of as many generally accepted examples of B&C signatures, as were known at the time. Although I found some signature samples, it became clear there were not that many authentic examples with which to compare. Thus, as the close of auction 2 neared, I still felt unprepared to commit to the risk these purported signatures presented. As an interesting aside was the fact, that Michael had a buy it now option, available during this roughly 3 week period. Therefore anyone, could have snatched the signatures up while I was busy researching them, in order to feel comfortable taking what I knew-- was a gamble.

Remarkably, auction 2 came and went without a resolution. Again the next morning I looked, and what to my eyes did appear-- but a vision of the signatures "still" available and having not sold-- "again". It was at that point I remember thinking to myself-- why couldn't these signatures be real?? Clyde's signature did appear to clearly resemble other known Clyde Barrow scripts. But it was Bonnie's signature which was the enigma. With only 2 (or thereabouts) known signatures with which to compare, depending on who you believed-- at that point, identifying Bonnie's handwritten script was literally a crap shoot. However shortly thereafter, what ended up being the "deciding" factor in my choosing to buy the signatures-- which interestingly had little to do with either signature, became evident to me.

Clyde had mysteriously tagged his signature, by writing the words Dallas, Texas beneath his name. At the time, I had no idea why he might have done this-- but that curious addendum seemed so unusual, I thought it important. I would later learn from an insider source, why Clyde likely added this tag to his signature, but at the time-- I didn't know. Anyway-- I felt somehow, the key to these signatures might be this Dallas, Texas tag. Thus I needed to find some example-- "any" example, where Clyde was known to have written the words Dallas, Texas. Improbably-- an exact example of this action did exist!! I found the match I needed, on the image of the postcard addressed to Cumie Barrow, apparently written to arrange one of the clandestine family meetings-- as posted on Frank Ballinger's Bonnie and Clyde's Hideout Website. As I've often said-- "Thanks" Frank!!

I felt few would write a capital T which looks so plainly like a capital L-- as we would form today. But Clyde did on the postcard, as well as within these signatures. In fact, the entire and unusually formed handwritten Dallas, Texas fashioned within the postcard address, couldn't have been much more similar-- to the tag on the image of the dual signatures. It was at that moment, I felt the same chill I always get in remembering this story-- the very same chill I'm feeling now in recounting this memory for you. At that point I recall thinking something along the lines of "My God-- these signatures could be real". But even with this exciting revelation, along with a most interesting and what I'd discovered to be plausible provenance-- I felt I needed to resolve one nagging question I had re: the signatures. For a pair of signatures potentially this historically important-- why didn't Michael take these signatures to Sothebys, to reap the benefits of what surely could have been, a most intense and profitable auction-- instead of selling them himself??

Although Michael and I had exchanged e-mails re: the signature's provenance-- I felt it important to call Michael and speak with him directly, for this query. I found Michael to be engaging, knowledgeable and passionate re: his love of
memorabilia. He explained his philosophy and ways of conducting his business, which he had apparently abided by for many years. I learned he had held onto these signatures for some time, and was now ready to part with them. He also provided an answer to the question searing within me, which although at the time I still found curious-- none the less after enjoying a long conversation with Michael-- I felt I had no reason to doubt him. Having been around the block more than a few times in life, I truly felt no hesitation in trusting in the signatures after speaking with Michael. It should be noted, when I traveled to Dallas for the unveiling of the signatures, I had the opportunity to meet with Michael Still. At that time, he provided me with additional, heartfelt and somewhat personal answers to that question, I had so earnestly attempted to resolve prior to my purchasing the signatures. I'm most happy to have learned what I did from Michael, as his comments provided an acceptable and kind closure-- for that question I had always wondered.

Getting back to the story-- having resolved the last of my concerns re: the signatures-- of course it was about then I realized, that I had been so busy researching my rationale for buying the signatures-- that I hadn't lined up my money to be ready to pull the trigger. Needless to say after a bit of anxiety-- I worked this issue through in short order, and with one last pause and a deep breath-- clicked on the buy it now button. Next time, perhaps I'll tell you about the adversary I later learned, could well have purchased the signatures before I did-- but due to his abrasive style in approaching Michael Still behind the scenes-- caused Michael to decide not to sell him the signatures. That's a remarkable story in itself. I really should look this person up and thank him sometime, for apparently exhibiting the unique charm he did in dealing with Michael. Interestingly this man's actions, helped assure me of obtaining the signatures-- based on his failed attempt to obtain them covertly.
More on that another time. But the moral of this story is clear-- it always pays to be straight forward and polite.

But once I had the signatures, the real journey would begin-- a now more than 3 year experience which has included forensic handwriting analysis, microscopy, provenance verification and the like-- needed to establishing authenticity for these historic dual signatures, of America's most iconic outlaws. For more info on The Bonnie & Clyde Signatures and their authentication-- please visit Bonnie and Clyde's Hideout--
http://texashideout.tripod.com/bc.htm Look for the signatures of Bonnie and Clyde on the main page, or within the Tattler section. My thanks, for the many questions regarding the signatures over the years. I'm happy to answer questions about this unique, and perhaps most personal of B&C artifacts-- whenever asked.

Monday, June 1, 2009

12 Plus New B&C Video Links Posted

I've posed at least a dozen new B&C Video Links down the right side of the Blog. All new videos, are identified as being NEW!! Some really cool stuff. Enjoy!!


Sunday, May 31, 2009

We Have A Winner!!-- Plus New Polls Posted

Congratulations to Ted and Karron, who won May's B&C History Blog Poll Contest by just "1" correct answer. Their winning percentage was 75%-- with 15 out of 20 questions answered correctly. Russ was right there, in answering 14 out of 20 correctly, and had closed the gap-- in getting the last 2 questions right. Red was the color of the True Crime mag cover, in the B&W photo. And that famous group photo of Dallas Sheriff's Dept. officers, was taken the day "after" Sowers-- in Smoot Schmid's office. I hope all who participated in May will participate again, and that more will join them-- in this friendly and fun battle of B&C knowledge. 8 new B&C Poll Questions are up, to kick off the festivities for June. So have at 'em.

I encourage all who enjoy the B&C History blog, to search out the polls on the right side-- and participate in the voting. If you also wish to be entered in the running for a B&C prize, to be awarded at the end of June-- please e-mail your answers for each group of polls, to bchistory@optonline.net That's the same address to contact me via e-mail, if you wish. Please record your answers in written form, rather than by assigning letters or such-- for each chosen answer. For your votes to be counted, they must be in "before" answers are revealed, at the end of each polling period. A minimum of just 10 votes per month, are required to qualify for prizes. "Boots" and I are back at it, in forming some new "killer" questions. So watch out gang-- and best of skill to all.

Thanks as always


Saturday, May 30, 2009

U.S. Bureau of Investigation Special Agent L.A. Kindell

I promised you new and unseen photos, of some of the historic individuals I reported on in my talk at Gibsland. I hope this was worth the wait. This is a photo of U.S Bureau of Investigation Special Agent Lester A. Kindell-- taken in January of 1930.

As always, my profound "thanks" to FBI Historian Dr. John F. Fox Jr.-- for being such a great friend to the history of Bonnie & Clyde, and for providing me with this wonderful photo. I think some of these photos being unearthed now at the FBI, are even rare to them. So much so, after John found this photo for my use in Gibsland-- he said he was planning on posting this pic on the FBI's website. In addition to Kindell, I had asked John for photos of Dallas SAC Blake and New Orleans SAC Whitley-- so perhaps more pics will be forthcoming. As information on Kindell is quite hard to come by, I couldn't be more pleased-- that this great olden photo of Special Agent L.A. Kindell still exists.

U.S. Bureau of Investigation Informant Bailey Tynes

Also as promised-- here is likely the very 1st photo, of Barrow cousin and Bureau informant Bailey Edwin Tynes Sr. ever released to the public. This photo of Bailey was taken in Waco, Texas. My sincere thanks, to the Tynes family, and in particular Laura, Mark, Daryl and Dennis-- who have been "so kind" and helpful-- in contributing family info and photos of Bailey and others. I will soon post "remarkable" family held revelations, "not" found within the FBI files-- concerning this now known and most intriguing figure, from the history of Bonnie & Clyde. Hold onto your hats, because to paraphrase Paul Harvey-- just wait until you hear "the rest of the story".

Bailey Tynes photos Copyright
© 2009 by A.W. Woodward, with all rights reserved. Tynes photos may be reproduced only by permission-- along with credits given, to the Tynes family and A. Winston Woodward. Many thanks for your cooperation and understanding, concerning these historic photos.

Friday, May 29, 2009

B&C History Poll Contest Winner for May,
To Be Announced--


Don't look now, but it's almost that time. Time to announce the winner of the B&C History Blog Poll Contest for May. I'm a bit worn out from Gibsland, but I'm re-grouping-- and will provide a final tally and announce a winner soon. I have a cool prize from the festival, which I will award to whomever had the best percentage of correct answers.

Then-- it will be time for all new B&C polls, for your pleasure and enjoyment-- and toward June's contest. So stay tuned-- and get ready for many more and challenging B&C polls.

Thursday, May 28, 2009

"Greetings" To All-- World Wide

I'd like to welcome the many new followers of the Bonnie and Clyde History blog-- which now extends to 8 countries worldwide. In just a short time, this blog has reached a great number of individuals and entities-- both interested and "passionate" in the history of Bonnie & Clyde.

My thanks to all for your support-- and for your interest in this history!!

-Winston

Answers To Questions Re: "The Street Girl"--
And Rekindled Message Board Vindictiveness.
Most Unfortunate-- But Nothing New


Steve Haas has posted questions re: Bonnie Parker's lost poem "The Street Girl" on another message board, which were forwarded to me. As some may be aware, I do not participate on Blanche's Hangout. As such, I'll be happy to respond to Steve's questions here. Steve wanted to know, where "The Street Girl" originated-- and what significance the drug references relating to hop and poppies were within it's verses?? There is no knowledge I am aware of, as to where "The Street Girl" was penned or originated. Based on the provisions of Blanche's Last Will and Testament which are known, this rare poem may have been Blanche's, and thus passed down to Billie upon Blanche's death-- or may have been Billie's all along. Which ever circumstance was so, I can tell you-- although this poem surfaced within Blanche's estate auction-- "The Street Girl" was in Billie's possession at the time of Billie's death.

The references to hop or juice of the poppy, I can only assume are standard references in regards to hop as being opium, and juice of the poppy referring to one of the opiate drugs-- likely opium or heroin. They also could have implied a reference to Morphine which Bonnie was believed to have used. I don't feel there's much doubt, that Bonnie used drugs including Morphine and Amytal after Wellington-- likely to ease her intense pain from injuries, which left her in nearly a crippled state. With both Billie and Blanche having passed-- beyond what is known, I would think it unlikely much more can be learned about the origins of this remarkable work. I personally consider "The Street Girl" Bonnie's best poetic effort.

I've read Debbie Moss's response to you Steve. Although her comments echo some of my thoughts-- I find her approach and tone unduly cynical. In addition, there are aspects re: this poem perhaps she is unaware of, which should be known-- in order to form a more complete opinion re: it's origin and authenticity. In addressing your concerns, Deb seemingly diminishes 2 key burdens of proof within forensic document examination-- which are important and evident regarding "The Street Girl". First, the provenance of this poem "is" known, and very solid. "The Street Girl" was in Billie's possession at the time of her death-- which makes it a family held artifact. As far as it's ownership, Bonnie was known to have been close to Billie, but was said not to have been so close to Blanche.

According to Marie Barrow, at least a dozen Clandestine family meetings were held with B&C. The last of these meetings is documented to have occurred on or about May 10th, 1934. Billie was photographed having attended the family get together near Sowers in November of '33, well after Blanche was captured in July of that year. Billie was also summoned to help Bonnie, and was present with the Barrow Gang, while they were hold up at Fort Smith, prior to Dexfield Park. Based on the content of the poem, and taking into account the greater number of opportunities for Bonnie to get this poem it into Billie's hands-- although without certainty, it may be more logical to suppose "The Street Girl" may have been Billie's. Its also my understanding, Billie wanted little from Blanche's estate-- which may be another clue re: this poem's ownership.

Secondly, Bonnie's signatures apparently written on the verso of "The Street Girl"-- provide enhanced credence for it's authenticity. Although to a CDE, it's not in the best form to compare handwriting to signatures, the "Balmy Summer Evening" passages-- the partial poem attributed to Bonnie, could be brought to bear, in comparison to "The Street Girl" scripts. This snippet of Bonnie's (said) poetry, is also believed to have come from a family source. I would find it remarkable, if "The Street Girl" could be shown, not to have been penned by Bonnie. In the previous response provided to Steve, it was implied that Bonnie's signatures on this poem don't really matter, as only the dead really know the truth re: this poem's authenticity. Well-- based on now years of experience in discerning the signatures of Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow-- I'm here to say, Bonnie's signatures on this poem "of course", and most certainly "do" matter. The importance of such is obvious-- as her scripts present on this document would prove, that Bonnie herself was in possession of this poem at some point.

Also in support of "The Street Girl"-- are the numerous references to drug use. These references depict a virtually assured reality within Bonnie, as noted by physical evidence recovered by law enforcement at the time-- as well as eye witness accounts expressed by W.D.Jones, regarding Bonnie's use of drugs. Another important element here, is the fact "The Street Girl" was typed-- which was in keeping with virtually every other known example of Bonnie's poetry. Exhaustive searches have been conducted by myself and others over the years-- in an attempt to find handwritten examples of Bonnie's poems. The first evidence I have of these searches dates back to 1938. Despite all the looking, unfortunately-- no credible handwritten samples of Bonnie's poetry have been found.


Unlike "The Prostitute's Convention"-- which Jeff Guinn didn't know the correct provenance for, and in reality had a weaker provenance-- "The Street Girl" has much more going for it, as likely a Bonnie work. I feel Guinn misused the juicy temptation to use "The Prostitute's Convention", in an apparent effort to sensationalize Bonnie Parker for his book. What other conclusion can logically be drawn?? Unfortunately, there's been a human an historical toll to this lack of caring and diligence. By using this unsubstantiated poem, tying it to Bonnie Parker, and deeming it's content somehow reflective of Bonnie's morals-- Guinn apparently succeeded (whether intended or not)-- in having altered (sullied) Bonnie's reputation. In having painted B&C in less favorable terms than many authors before him-- I would hope this lack of historical diligence, was not in any way deliberate. None the less, Bonnie is now often labeled a prostitute, based on references within Guinn's book-- fueled by "The Prostitute's Convention".

Within the Tidwell poems auctioned by Bonhams in 2007 which included "The Prostitute's Convention"-- 5 of the 10 poems were known poems of folklore, said "not" to have been written by Bonnie. To me, this further weakens the likelihood of Bonnie having authored "The Prostitute's Convention". Of course she could have authored this work. However this "mixed" grouping of poems, along with curiously-- all having been hand written without a mistake or correction, together with an interesting but questionable provenance-- all add up to me, as citing a lesser likelihood of authenticity than "The Street Girl". I had the opportunity to speak with Jonathan Davis at the B&C Ambush Festival. He was gracious in confirming a fact of which I was already aware-- that Marie Barrow was not in any way, a source of provenance for "The Prostitute's Convention" as Mr. Guinn claimed. If only Bonnie were alive or would have kept a diary-- we might know for sure, whether she authored any of the Tidwell poems. But alas we have no such advantage-- so all we can do is try and make sense, of the clues we do have. However unlike "The Prostitute's Convention" with it's possible weaknesses in authenticity-- I feel support for "The Street Girl" as being an authentic Bonnie Parker poem-- is strong.

Having perhaps detected some subtle digs, directed my way within the response to Steve and his questions on the Blanche board-- I will again state my feelings in saying, I find such expressions a disappointment. The reality is, with my experience in having spent now 3 years investigating the handwriting and signatures of Bonnie and Clyde, apparently without predecessors in this regard-- and in collaboration with renown forensic experts-- which did include working with "The Street Girl"-- I would likely be a good source of educated opinion, regarding this element of B&C history. The vindictive attitudes sometimes expressed, by some who fancy themselves as being irrevocably "in the know" regarding this history, I feel is most unfortunate.

Re: Blanche's Hangout, I wish it well. However I'm not the only example, where freedom of speech was banned there-- when viewpoints expressed, ran contrary to the whims of a few-- who control that B&C bastion of limited expression and childlike games. As David Byrne once said in the Talking Head's song-- "I ain't got time for that now".

At least here, I can make the comments I do. Something is materially wrong, when expressions regarding the debate and enjoyment of this history, are limited, discouraged or distracted. There are no such limitations or issues here. As such-- please feel free to express your views regarding B&C history openly and with candor. I welcome your comments and expressions.

Many thanks for these questions re: Bonnie's poem "The Street Girl" having been relayed to me. I'm happy to try and help re: all matters Bonnie & Clyde-- whenever I can.

Note: Freda Dillard has commented correctly that both "The Street Girl" and Suicide Sal, contain references to the island (by the bay)-- which could be references to Alcatraz-- and also Helen of Troy, which appear to be references to beauty. This commonality of thought within both poems-- could well add to the reality of "The Street Girl", indeed being an authentic Bonnie Parker work. I myself have no doubt. Nice going Freda. Thanks so much for your input.